Does eating bread make you fat?

adam88 said:
It is proven that having fats will keep you feeling fuller for longer, because it has slow energy release. If you are going have a very high fat diet and consumed a large amount of fats on day one, on day two your body will still be trying to break down the fats. Fats are also higher in calories that what carbs and proteins because of the process required for your body to break it down. Not everyone can use Fats as a main source of energy, I cant. My diet has to be higher in carbs especially if you are active.
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Not entirely true. Yes Fats have higher amounts of energy per gram etc. But the reason you don't feel as hungry if you eat fats, is not because they provide energy for longer, but because they do not inhibit your fat cell outflow rate. Because they do not cause an upsurge of insulin.

When you eat carbs, your body needs an upsurge of insulin to tell your cells and organs to start absorbing as much of your blood sugar as it can. The most sensible way to use this energy is to simply have your cell mitochondria use it as current energy. Because all the excess after that point needs to be converted into a substance that can be stored in fat cells, the process to do this is taxing on the organs, so the body does not like to rely on this if it can help it. So insulin tells your fat cells to stop outputting energy as there is an excess of a higher priority energy in the blood.
Blood sugar is a higher priority, not because the body is better at using it, but because high blood sugar levels are toxic and potentially fatal. Your body needs to prioritise the regulation of that blood sugar level. over the healthy release of stored fat cell energy.

When you eat fats, your blood sugar level is in the lower band of normal. So your insulin levels are very low. Which means the outflow of energy from your fat cells is allowed to continue at a normal rate. Meaning that your body has ample energy to get on with things without dietary energy input being a primary requirement.

Eating fats does not leave you feeling fuller for longer. Eating fats removes the hormonal response in your body that tricks you into thinking that you require more dietary calories or else you will crash.


Unless you have some medical condition that you have not yet divulged, there is no reason why your body cannot operate on fats, after an adjustment period. Your body is just tuned to using carbs right now. It has not needed to utilise the fat burning energy cycle and associated hormones, so when you stop eating carbs and force it to use a system that it is understaffed on, it cannot cope immediately. It needs time to hire more staff essentially. That will be why you feel lower on energy if you try to cut out carbs and eat more fats. After an adjustment period, unless you are a high performance athlete, you will be able to operate at exactly the same level as you currently do.
 
Random Hero said:
So I sleep naked, because I hear there is a lot of health benefits. Anyways one morning i wake up with this red pimple on my taint. I thought nothing of it, but a week or so later I start feeling pain and swollen lymph nodes, kindneys pain, joints pain, spine pain.

Anyways it has become like somewhat of a crater now with a botanical garden inside.

It will probably look like this for the next 10 weeks. :\

MOTS - don't sleep naked I guess.
I still sleep naked though.
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W... T... F...

:wtf:

Your sex life just took a huge dive.
 
Emjay said:
W... T... F...

:wtf:

Your sex life just took a huge dive.
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Nooit dude. How many of us have ever had a hand job from 8 limbs at once, together with simultaneous oral action?
 
Bread does cause fat if you are insulin resistant. Getting fat does not depend on the dumb energy balance equation that lots of body builders belief works. This is outdated science from the 1890s. It uses the First law of Thermal Dynamics, basically energy in = energy out. This is true for human bodies, but it doesn't prove causation, we get fat because we did take in more energy, yes we know that, but it doesnt prove that eating more food causes you to be fat. A child grows for example, because he took in more energy, the reason obviously being growth hormones. The same applies to getting fat, this is biology, not a closed system physical equation. There is no reason to count calories and to starve yourself to lose weight.

Fat is made cause of a hormonal deficit in the body, if your insulin spikes it means that you have too much carbohydrates in your body and you need to eat less. This is usually as a result from eating carbs without soluble fiber (such as is found in fruits).

Short answer: Any starchy foods and sugar will cause you to be fat.

The idea the exercise makes you lose fat is simply false. Exercise is good for you, but not for losing weight. For a good guide on what makes you fat, go and read Gary Taubes's book Good Calories, bad calories, it gives the whole history of weight loss science and why it is particularly bad.


Or just watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEuIlQONcHw&t=2997s
 
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SoulTax said:
Not entirely true. Yes Fats have higher amounts of energy per gram etc. But the reason you don't feel as hungry if you eat fats, is not because they provide energy for longer, but because they do not inhibit your fat cell outflow rate. Because they do not cause an upsurge of insulin.

When you eat carbs, your body needs an upsurge of insulin to tell your cells and organs to start absorbing as much of your blood sugar as it can. The most sensible way to use this energy is to simply have your cell mitochondria use it as current energy. Because all the excess after that point needs to be converted into a substance that can be stored in fat cells, the process to do this is taxing on the organs, so the body does not like to rely on this if it can help it. So insulin tells your fat cells to stop outputting energy as there is an excess of a higher priority energy in the blood.
Blood sugar is a higher priority, not because the body is better at using it, but because high blood sugar levels are toxic and potentially fatal. Your body needs to prioritise the regulation of that blood sugar level. over the healthy release of stored fat cell energy.

When you eat fats, your blood sugar level is in the lower band of normal. So your insulin levels are very low. Which means the outflow of energy from your fat cells is allowed to continue at a normal rate. Meaning that your body has ample energy to get on with things without dietary energy input being a primary requirement.

Eating fats does not leave you feeling fuller for longer. Eating fats removes the hormonal response in your body that tricks you into thinking that you require more dietary calories or else you will crash.


Unless you have some medical condition that you have not yet divulged, there is no reason why your body cannot operate on fats, after an adjustment period. Your body is just tuned to using carbs right now. It has not needed to utilise the fat burning energy cycle and associated hormones, so when you stop eating carbs and force it to use a system that it is understaffed on, it cannot cope immediately. It needs time to hire more staff essentially. That will be why you feel lower on energy if you try to cut out carbs and eat more fats. After an adjustment period, unless you are a high performance athlete, you will be able to operate at exactly the same level as you currently do.
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Tx this is very interesting. Where does ketosis and ketones fit into all of this? Do the cells emit ketones to tell your body to burn fat?

What Sinbad has said about hunger is so spot on.

Some months ago I decided to lose weight. In particular the fat around my belly. I weighed 88kg. I have a lean build and the belly fat gave me a ****ty body shape. So I tried keto. Cut out alcohol, bread, pasta, everything I love. After a few days I went into the 'hungry' phase. But I knew that was my body wanting carbs. Once that passed my energy levels started to increase dramatically. I started to feel good and sleep well again. The tricky part is that I am very active. My daily MTB ride burns between 1500 and 2000 calories. I was not sure whether I still needed some carbs for fuel. At this point I also started to cut out one meal. I now have coffee in the morning when I get up. I have a huge high-fat breakfast at 11am. Then I go for my ride at 17:00to 19:30. After that I have my dinner. Also high-fat. At no point in the day am I hungry. Thats because I think my body is just burning fat. Using this routine I averaged 1kg per week weight loss. I am now at 75kg. Dropped 2 pants sizes. And my belly fat almost gone.

What is interesting is that if I don't take carbs I cannot push my ride hard every day. I used to ride with just water. I.e. not taking any energy-giving substance. I tend to run out of steam after about 1.5 to 2 hours. I think that is probably wrong. I need to find something to just fuel me for the ride.

Now that I have sort of reached my target, I do have the odd glass of wine, beer, pasta etc. But very small amounts.
 
Ketones are a fuel for your body that are synthesized from triglycerides (stored fat). Ketosis is the process by which this happens.
 
Sinbad said:
Ketones are a fuel for your body that are synthesized from triglycerides (stored fat). Ketosis is the process by which this happens.
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Ah right. What part of the body then emits ketones? So the mitochondria can burn ketones for energy?
 
Spacerat said:
Ah right. What part of the body then emits ketones? So the mitochondria can burn ketones for energy?
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Lipolysis

To obtain energy from fat, triglycerides must first be broken down by hydrolysis into their two principal components, fatty acids and glycerol. This process, called lipolysis, takes place in the cytoplasm. The resulting fatty acids are oxidized by β-oxidation into acetyl CoA, which is used by the Krebs cycle. The glycerol that is released from triglycerides after lipolysis directly enters the glycolysis pathway as DHAP. Because one triglyceride molecule yields three fatty acid molecules with as much as 16 or more carbons in each one, fat molecules yield more energy than carbohydrates and are an important source of energy for the human body. Triglycerides yield more than twice the energy per unit mass when compared to carbohydrates and proteins. Therefore, when glucose levels are low, triglycerides can be converted into acetyl CoA molecules and used to generate ATP through aerobic respiration.

The breakdown of fatty acids, called fatty acid oxidation or beta (β)-oxidation, begins in the cytoplasm, where fatty acids are converted into fatty acyl CoA molecules. This fatty acyl CoA combines with carnitine to create a fatty acyl carnitine molecule, which helps to transport the fatty acid across the mitochondrial membrane. Once inside the mitochondrial matrix, the fatty acyl carnitine molecule is converted back into fatty acyl CoA and then into acetyl CoA ([link]). The newly formed acetyl CoA enters the Krebs cycle and is used to produce ATP in the same way as acetyl CoA derived from pyruvate.

Breakdown of Fatty Acids

During fatty acid oxidation, triglycerides can be broken down into acetyl CoA molecules and used for energy when glucose levels are low.

Ketogenesis

If excessive acetyl CoA is created from the oxidation of fatty acids and the Krebs cycle is overloaded and cannot handle it, the acetyl CoA is diverted to create ketone bodies. These ketone bodies can serve as a fuel source if glucose levels are too low in the body. Ketones serve as fuel in times of prolonged starvation or when patients suffer from uncontrolled diabetes and cannot utilize most of the circulating glucose. In both cases, fat stores are liberated to generate energy through the Krebs cycle and will generate ketone bodies when too much acetyl CoA accumulates.



Ketone Body Oxidation

Organs that have classically been thought to be dependent solely on glucose, such as the brain, can actually use ketones as an alternative energy source. This keeps the brain functioning when glucose is limited. When ketones are produced faster than they can be used, they can be broken down into CO2 and acetone. The acetone is removed by exhalation. One symptom of ketogenesis is that the patient’s breath smells sweet like alcohol. This effect provides one way of telling if a diabetic is properly controlling the disease. The carbon dioxide produced can acidify the blood, leading to diabetic ketoacidosis, a dangerous condition in diabetics.

Ketones oxidize to produce energy for the brain. beta (β)-hydroxybutyrate is oxidized to acetoacetate and NADH is released. An HS-CoA molecule is added to acetoacetate, forming acetoacetyl CoA. The carbon within the acetoacetyl CoA that is not bonded to the CoA then detaches, splitting the molecule in two. This carbon then attaches to another free HS-CoA, resulting in two acetyl CoA molecules. These two acetyl CoA molecules are then processed through the Krebs cycle to generate energy
 
Spacerat said:
What is interesting is that if I don't take carbs I cannot push my ride hard every day. I used to ride with just water. I.e. not taking any energy-giving substance. I tend to run out of steam after about 1.5 to 2 hours. I think that is probably wrong. I need to find something to just fuel me for the ride.
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You can take some MCT oil for instant energy.
 
Spacerat said:
Pretty fascinating actually. Have to wrap my head around that. Hydrolysis sounds like it uses water? Does that mean the the process is helped by drinking loads of water? I did increase my water intake quite dramatically.
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Yup. When you're ketogenic you have to drink plenty of water.
 
Nicodeamus said:
Bread does cause fat if you are insulin resistant. Getting fat does not depend on the dumb energy balance equation that lots of body builders belief works. This is outdated science from the 1890s. It uses the First law of Thermal Dynamics, basically energy in = energy out. This is true for human bodies, but it doesn't prove causation, we get fat because we did take in more energy, yes we know that, but it doesnt prove that eating more food causes you to be fat. A child grows for example, because he took in more energy, the reason obviously being growth hormones. The same applies to getting fat, this is biology, not a closed system physical equation. There is no reason to count calories and to starve yourself to lose weight.

Fat is made cause of a hormonal deficit in the body, if your insulin spikes it means that you have too much carbohydrates in your body and you need to eat less. This is usually as a result from eating carbs without soluble fiber (such as is found in fruits).

Short answer: Any starchy foods and sugar will cause you to be fat.

The idea the exercise makes you lose fat is simply false. Exercise is good for you, but not for losing weight. For a good guide on what makes you fat, go and read Gary Taubes's book Good Calories, bad calories, it gives the whole history of weight loss science and why it is particularly bad.


Or just watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEuIlQONcHw&t=2997s
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The body does lose weight by consuming less calories than what you are putting out.

Exercise can help you lose weight with constant eating.

We are debating good or bad carbohydrates, anything in excess is bad for you.

The guy is not suggesting a diet of JUST bread. So Good Calories, Bad Calories is not relevant. If I had veggies and fruit today and then had a rice sandwich will my insulin suddenly rise and pick up kg's.
 
Stop wasting your time trying to help this guy, he starts a new thread every week asking the same ****ing questions with different wording. I've given him a complete diet with macro/calorie breakdown which if he followed for 8 weeks would have him seeing the start of the results he's after.

You're all wasting your time, he doesn't listen and/or is not all there in the head.

Or he's a troll, I struggle to believe anyone can be as dim as this guy.
 
adam88 said:
The body does lose weight by consuming less calories than what you are putting out.

Exercise can help you lose weight with constant eating.

We are debating good or bad carbohydrates, anything in excess is bad for you.

The guy is not suggesting a diet of JUST bread. So Good Calories, Bad Calories is not relevant. If I had veggies and fruit today and then had a rice sandwich will my insulin suddenly rise and pick up kg's.
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I think what makes it hard is that the effect is delayed. If I eat carbs today, I wont weigh more tomorrow. I thin kit is more a question of if I continue eating carbs, I will see a weight upward trend. So cheating a bit here and there does not have a huge effect.
 
Spacerat said:
I think what makes it hard is that the effect is delayed. If I eat carbs today, I wont weigh more tomorrow. I thin kit is more a question of if I continue eating carbs, I will see a weight upward trend. So cheating a bit here and there does not have a huge effect.
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If you're proper low carbing and you have a carb binge you'll put on one to three kilos overnight as you retain water as part of your glycogen stores.
 
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