Does Local Loop Unbundling stand a chance?

[MickZA]

If, as I understand it, implementing Full LLU means giving Neotel & other third parties personnel on-site access to the Telkom exchanges I'm totally against it. Can you imagine the "blame game" that will ensue between the techies when faults are reported?

 

[MickeyD]

The question is whether anyone actually wants access to these networks (Just joking). I am not entirely certain about access to these networks - Dominic will have to answer than one. I assume it will depend on license types, but again not certain.

imo if they are providing inter-nodal links it should be excluded, but as soon as they connect customers to their network it should be included.

 

[Polymathic]

Screw LLU and bring FTH

 

[Shayd]

My belief is that this farce will be dragged out a while longer. Amazing that telkom is resisting so much when they are "losing" money on these lines.

On another note, we are sitting on the cusp of a huge increase in the performance of wireless technology. Once LTE gets off the ground I have a feeling that telkom and it's adsl market will fall off a cliff.

Telkom only have themselves to blame when this happens as they have kept south africans on a data diet for years by insisting that low cap adsl is the way to go.

We are already there with cell c and 8ta's specials. Once we can get high cap prime time and uncapped off peak options at a reasonable price telkom's underdeveloped and overly expensive adsl product will simply no longer be feasible.

Here is me holding thumbs for a wireless service provider to give me 10 gig's daytime and midnight to 6 uncapped for R500

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[Jola]

I'm going wireless, Telkom can get stuffed !!!

I have had enough of poor ADSL!

 

[Jagtiger]

LLU will not stand a chance.

If we had decent/fair regulators, then we could talk at least about something.
There is no third world country succeeded to do so, and only a few first world countries were able to do so.

Chances? None!

 

[damian24]

If, as I understand it, implementing Full LLU means giving Neotel & other third parties personnel on-site access to the Telkom exchanges I'm totally against it. Can you imagine the "blame game" that will ensue between the techies when faults are reported?

exactly what happened in the States when AT&T was broken up into the 'baby-bells' and ILECs were created which had to provide LLU to competitors.... somewhere in the late nineties methinks...

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[Roman4604]

If, as I understand it, implementing Full LLU means giving Neotel & other third parties personnel on-site access to the Telkom exchanges I'm totally against it.

It wont be 'free for all' access like that. Either the exchange space would be restructured into seperate zones (unlikely/unviable) or other operator equipment will be deployed in containerised units external to the main exchange building (like those found at the base of cellular towers).

Can you imagine the "blame game" that will ensue between the techies when faults are reported?

Actually with full/shared line unbundling the demarkation of responsibility is far clearer & simpler (in comparison to the current IPC setup).

only a few first world countries were able to do so.

Most developed markets went through unbundling a while ago, it is overwhelmingly the norm rather than the exception. And if we take a defeatist stance, we'll never know if it can succeed here.

 

[Gargmel]

Personally I think no, with a combination of corrupt and useless government with a majority stake in telecoms? Why would they kill the cow?

 

[Tweak]

To Telkom ? No, I think it belongs to the tax payer.

Telkom was just the incumbent who had access to it first and they don't want relinquish it.

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[Bern]

Will Telkom get to utilize Neotel's fibre? Lets's all share everything then.

If we get Full LLU, then yes.. Telkom will get to use Neotels Fibre, as well as MTN's and VC's etc etc.... everyone will be forced to share (at a reasonable cost+ margin) as far as I'm aware...

Yes along with other major players who have fibre. It should reduce costs for all concerned as they csan better utilise this fibre and hopefully add redundant links cheaply. I hope redundancy is one of the major uses opposed to cost cutting on getting fibre out there.

It can get even more interesting than that...can Telkom get access to Vodacom's radio network? The same applies to Vodacom and MTN's radio networks than what applies to Telkom's fixed line network.

No, not the radio network itself (frequency is allocated), but towers and backhaul surely where there is sufficient additional supply (read fibre to tower). Sharing fibre (read using my own strands in your duct) is not the same as sharing a very specific piece of end equipment like a brand of GSM equipment.

 

[waz7710]

Telkom will fight anything to benefit others! Unless it suits their pockets

 

[vzta22]

All the large operators fighting Telkom over LLU have fibre, based on the reports we read. While wasting your time, someone else will get fibre to the homes and cut you off. You will keep fighting this battle until ADSL becomes obsolete.

 

[Browser]

I truly hope LLU goes through. Telkom keeps using it to screw over customers, even those who don't use them as their ISP aswell as ISPs themselves letting line rental costs subsidise Telkoms ISP prices.

 

[MickeyD]

Neotel spoke out in an article from yesterday:

http://mybroadband.co.za/news/telecoms/29136-we-sell-our-fixed-lines-below-cost-telkom.html

Can Angus Hay state for the record that they will provide better residential fixed line broadband services to us normal consumers and not focus predominantly on the business and corporate markets once LLU has been implemented? And how long will it take to stop cherry picking the profitable business exchanges and move into the residential areas?