Does Local Loop Unbundling stand a chance?

Somethings amiss here, where is Neotel in this discussion? As the 2nd fixed line operator they should be championing the LLU on behalf to the end-user. By their near silence on the topic am I to read that they are no longer a fixed line operator? I believe, at minimum, Neotel must get access to the LL, so they can actual offer fixed line services, not the quassi wireless rubbish they presently do! Oh and Telkom and Neotel should foot the bill for maintaining/developing the LL and any techno advancements like FTTH!
 
BGE said:
Somethings amiss here, where is Neotel in this discussion? As the 2nd fixed line operator they should be championing the LLU on behalf to the end-user. By their near silence on the topic am I to read that they are no longer a fixed line operator? I believe, at minimum, Neotel must get access to the LL, so they can actual offer fixed line services, not the quassi wireless rubbish they presently do! Oh and Telkom and Neotel should foot the bill for maintaining/developing the LL and any techno advancements like FTTH!
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Neotel has been very vocal on the topic, and also challenged Telkom at ICASA for not giving them access to the local loop already (complaint should be heard by the CCC soon). This can be a groundbreaking case – if Neotel is not successful it may well change the way LLU is handled in SA.

Dominic may be able to shed a bit more light on the case and the legal details which accompany the challenge from Neotel.
 
BGE said:
Somethings amiss here, where is Neotel in this discussion? As the 2nd fixed line operator they should be championing the LLU on behalf to the end-user. By their near silence on the topic am I to read that they are no longer a fixed line operator? I believe, at minimum, Neotel must get access to the LL, so they can actual offer fixed line services, not the quassi wireless rubbish they presently do! Oh and Telkom and Neotel should foot the bill for maintaining/developing the LL and any techno advancements like FTTH!
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Neotel spoke out in an article from yesterday:

http://mybroadband.co.za/news/telecoms/29136-we-sell-our-fixed-lines-below-cost-telkom.html
 
Angus Who... haha... yes saw that, but there really seems to be no urgency/energy behind Neotel's actions... surely Neotel would have contractulised something with gov before entering the SA market, LLU must have been a key part of the agreement??
 
rpm said:
Neotel has been very vocal on the topic, and also challenged Telkom at ICASA for not giving them access to the local loop already (complaint should be heard by the CCC soon). This can be a groundbreaking case – if Neotel is not successful it may well change the way LLU is handled in SA.

Dominic may be able to shed a bit more light on the case and the legal details which accompany the challenge from Neotel.
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Thats super interesting, any idea on when the soon will be?
 
An article on this would be nice.
rpm said:
Neotel has been very vocal on the topic, and also challenged Telkom at ICASA for not giving them access to the local loop already (complaint should be heard by the CCC soon). This can be a groundbreaking case – if Neotel is not successful it may well change the way LLU is handled in SA.

Dominic may be able to shed a bit more light on the case and the legal details which accompany the challenge from Neotel.
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In the time that SA has been discussing LLU several Africa countries have overtaken us in the "connectivity" stakes. Pathetic, Telkom. Any wonder the telephon directory is getting thinner every year.
 
Will Telkom get to utilize Neotel's fibre? Lets's all share everything then. :)
 
dabbler said:
Will Telkom get to utilize Neotel's fibre? Lets's all share everything then. :)
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It can get even more interesting than that...can Telkom get access to Vodacom's radio network? The same applies to Vodacom and MTN's radio networks than what applies to Telkom's fixed line network.
 
If we get Full LLU, then yes.. Telkom will get to use Neotels Fibre, as well as MTN's and VC's etc etc.... everyone will be forced to share (at a reasonable cost+ margin) as far as I'm aware...
 
To whom does the copper belong ?

To Telkom ? No, I think it belongs to the tax payer.

Telkom was just the incumbent who had access to it first and they don't want relinquish it.
 
rpm said:
It can get even more interesting than that...can Telkom get access to Vodacom's radio network? The same applies to Vodacom and MTN's radio networks than what applies to Telkom's fixed line network.
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What about all the networks that the Metro's have built?
 
Eventually may die but not for a long time yet (unless all ISP's pull MWEB's tricks).
 
MickeyD said:
What about all the networks that the Metro's have built?
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The question is whether anyone actually wants access to these networks :) (Just joking). I am not entirely certain about access to these networks - Dominic will have to answer than one. I assume it will depend on license types, but again not certain.
 
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