Dr. Phil show today

[guest2013-1]

Marriage, or gay marriage?

Either way, though, if you're only looking at it biologically you're missing out a large portion of the point of marriage - it's not just to procreate, it's also for security (physical and emotional); for companionship; for sharing life's problems; for sharing life's happinesses. Kids are only a part of all that.

+1, but throw in the religious aspect and it goes all haywire.


For a girl you summed it up and got to the raw point quite nicely. I'm impressed!

edit: It's because women tend to "spruce" facts up a bit with doily's and ****, that's why. I'm not sexist

 

[technofool]

Is Marriage even relevent anymore?

Marriage, or gay marriage?

Either way, though, if you're only looking at it biologically you're missing out a large portion of the point of marriage - it's not just to procreate, it's also for security (physical and emotional); for companionship; for sharing life's problems; for sharing life's happinesses. Kids are only a part of all that.

Slightly off topic but it has been alluded to above.

I don't think that having a formal wedding adds any value to a relationship that you cannot get if you are a committed cohabiting couple with a cohabitation agreement that is fair to both parties. If anything you are disadvantaged by enduring a formal wedding and being lulled into a false sense of security because you are bound by a rubber-stamped template of a marriage contract.

How does a marriage certificate add value to committed, in love, cohabiting couples who have a cohabitation agreement when it comes to security, companionship, sharing the problems and joys of life.

 

[guest2013-1]

Slightly off topic but it has been alluded to above.

I don't think that having a formal wedding adds any value to a relationship that you cannot get if you are a committed cohabiting couple with a cohabitation agreement that is fair to both parties. If anything you are disadvantaged by enduring a formal wedding and being lulled into a false sense of security because you are bound by a rubber-stamped template of a marriage contract.

How does a marriage certificate add value to committed, in love, cohabiting couples who have a cohabitation agreement when it comes to security, companionship, sharing the problems and joys of life.

a marriage certificate is nothing more than a legal document declaring to the government that you and someone else are making it official. That's all.

Marriage is for the individual people to decide how much importance they put on the unity (or "sanctity") thereof.

So if marriage is important to you and your partner, you'd want to celebrate AND make the world (guava-mint) know that you're legally "binded" together in union.

If you prefer to stay together as if married and had a ceremony maybe (wiccan perhaps, but even they do get the legal documents because of the nice perks you get sometimes when married legally) then it's up to you and your partner to decide that.

I think gay marriage, legally, with papers saying "we're legally married" (forgetting the religious aspect of things for a second) are just 2 people saying "We want to declare our love in a legal way" and that's sometimes a sticking point with law (not God's law, human law). But anyway. Let Dr. Phil rest. He is bald enough as it is.

 

[CathJ]

Marriage is for the individual people to decide how much importance they put on the unity (or "sanctity") thereof.

So if marriage is important to you and your partner, you'd want to celebrate AND make the world (guava-mint) know that you're legally "binded" together in union.

If you prefer to stay together as if married and had a ceremony maybe (wiccan perhaps, but even they do get the legal documents because of the nice perks you get sometimes when married legally) then it's up to you and your partner to decide that.

Lucky you edited your post above to add that disclaimer...

I think you're right in that the importance of marriage to you depends on how how you see the sanctity of marriage.

I do see marriage as being more of a commitment than a monogamous comitted non-marriage relationship - but that's because I take the marriage vows very seriously (and would expect my husband to feel the same). So while I know you could cheat in either situation, the way I see marriage is that it is even worse to cheat in a marriage than in a committed non-marriage. (I realise not everyone sees marriage that way, though).

And partly that's because marriage is a public commitment in front of the law, your friends and family, and if you're religious, your god. So I guess i'm defining marriage as exactly that, a public commitment in front of ... etc.

A private commitment is, of course, still a commitment and shouldn't be broken! Again, it all comes down to how you see the commitment; I'd be worried if my partner made a privae commitment but wouldn't make a public one, because to me it would seem like he's less committed.

Anyway, hope that's clear - my thoughts are a bit woolly this time of night. and hopefully it's doily-free as well

Edit: I guess I also see marriage as being more difficult to get out of than a committed non-marriage - so you're forced to work on it, to stick together and work out your problems together rather than just giving up. (Although I do believe in divorce, because sometimes you can't work things out. But you should have to try.)

I guess what it boils down to is that I see marriage as a greater commitment than a co-habiting committed relationship.

 

[Bona Botse]

i used to be homophobic. after doing some soul searching, i realised i didn't really know why i was a homophobe. so i stopped with the narrow mindedness and now i don't mind homosexuality at all. like a few people have already posted, adam and steve being in a relationship does no harm to anyone so therefore it's none of my business