Driving with headlights on

Quantum Theory said:
Just saying that your blanket statement that ABS is bad on dirt is wrong. That is also why I mentioned my car earlier, which also has no problem on dirt. Stops far quicker with the ABS on, than it would have done with no ABS.
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Think the links explained everything pretty darn well, but since you're saying the above you probably didnt read them at all. They make clear note of under which circumstances ABS should be left on.
 
Archer said:
Think the links explained everything pretty darn well, but since you're saying the above you probably didnt read them at all. They make clear note of under which circumstances ABS should be left on.
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Yeah. I'm at work. Did not watch the videos. I also see that you actually had something about off road ABS in brackets, in your first post regarding ABS. Apologies.
 
Archer said:
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Wow. I'd never have believed this was such a contentious issue. /feels guilty about having started the thread

But I have to say, the folks who insist they'd rather drive with headlights off and not increase their visibility/noticeability/whatever-you'd-like-to-call-it to other road users remind me of bikers who insist they're safer NOT wearing high-viz clothing because it forces them to be more alert. :whistle:
One day I gotta ask one of those guys if being more alert includes being able to see a few minutes into the future.
 
droplet said:
a question to the anti-daytime-lights-on brigade:

none of you seem to mention the fact that bikers have their lights on and that this increases their chances of being seen/noticed. fact is, bikes are more noticeable with their lights on. as yet, i have yet to see anyone on this thread dispute that; no arguments that this principle only applies to europe where there is less light, no arguments that headlights are stupid in the daytime and that they should be using DRLs, no complaints that headlights (not brights) are blinding in the daytime. nobody on this thread has said that bikes having their lights on makes them less visible.

the lights INCREASE noticeability (yes, i know that isn't a proper word), they don't guarantee it. i understand that bikes are near-invisible without the lights due to their narrow profile, but the principle applies to cars as well (particularly for cars with low-noticeability colour, like grey or silver).

i won't mention my stance on the whole daytime lights thing - let's just say that i am neutral and curious to get more opinion on this.
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Yes the idea being that everyone else keeps their lights off thereby increasing the visibility of bikes.

If everyone has their lights on then nobody gets seen.

Note I have no issues with DRL's, but cars with "normal" lights on in the day endanger me as a motorcyclist. I know this because in slightly rainy weather with cars running their lights I am invisible until I put my brights on.
 
RandomDesign said:
remind me of bikers who insist they're safer NOT wearing high-viz clothing because it forces them to be more alert. :whistle:
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Heh? I don't understand the statement?

I didn't wear hi viz largely because I figure that if they already aren't seeing my bright white and well lit motorcycle they certainly won't see me all dressed up on top of it.

If my bike didn't have lights it would be another sorry, but I have a million reflectors that grate my tits having to look at them but I leave them on there for the little bit they might add.


Riding accordingly goes a long way. High viz stuff isn't going to help if you are doing 200km/h between cars.

Riding at the reasonable pace and in such a manner that you are more visible more of the time is what makes all the difference.

High viz won't do jack **** if you are physically invisible to a car in the position you choose to ride, which is sadly the case I see far too often.
 
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