Well techincally speaking recording TV shows are illegal. I heard about it at a convention a few years back. Can't remember the technical jargon though. Nevertheless this protection scheme will not last. How long was it before Vista was cracked? (who'd want Vista anyways though?)
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Well techincally speaking recording TV shows are illegal. I heard about it at a convention a few years back. Can't remember the technical jargon though. Nevertheless this protection scheme will not last. How long was it before Vista was cracked? (who'd want Vista anyways though?)
vista was cracked before it was even released...
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From what I have read, recording a television show is only illegal if you lend or sell the tape to someone else, keeping it for your own use is perfectly legal.
This is what the whole music industry has just gone through but it just seems like this HD Video thing is four years behind the times.
If I have a CD which I have legally bought I should be able to play it on any device that I own, even if I have to transfer it first, simple as that. The EU even appears to be ratifying this, but could be wrong and signals are mixed.
The problem I have with HDCP is that you have to buy a whole bunch of new hardware to make it work with all the locks built in. Looking at the specification it looks a pretty tuff nut to crack because it has to do with an exchange of a number of unique keys between two (or more) devices. So (at the moment) the device that receives it is the only device that can play it back.
HDCP is just asking to be cracked.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_hole
This is what the whole music industry has just gone through but it just seems like this HD Video thing is four years behind the times.
If I have a CD which I have legally bought I should be able to play it on any device that I own, even if I have to transfer it first, simple as that. The EU even appears to be ratifying this, but could be wrong and signals are mixed.
The problem I have with HDCP is that you have to buy a whole bunch of new hardware to make it work with all the locks built in. Looking at the specification it looks a pretty tuff nut to crack because it has to do with an exchange of a number of unique keys between two (or more) devices. So (at the moment) the device that receives it is the only device that can play it back.
HDCP is just asking to be cracked.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_hole
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TimTDP
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I have 2 HD Tv's, and I want to watch HD on both - and have the ability to watch different channels on each TV
Multi Choice is like Neotel. They listen to what their customers want and then provide the opposite
the "naaį my in die poeper" system worked for telkom and multichoice is just following in their footsteps...
arf9999
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I can be done... if you buy two HD decoders.
but why would he WANT two tv's showing the only hd channel?
hmm....get a puter, get a big screen, get to know a few good friends and watch new series at home...
back to the wiring question - have I understood it correctly that the current coax cable coming from the dish remains unchanged except you need to split it into 4 to get the ability to view and record simutaneously?
and that there will be some loss of signal the longer the coax is - but not detrimental if within reason?
and that there will be some loss of signal the longer the coax is - but not detrimental if within reason?
It's a global thing. It's been introduced in HDTV broadcasts a few years
back in the more advanced countries - eg USA.
Its also implemented in Windows. To playback full HD content from
a BluRay disk you need to have an HDCP compliant OS, HDCP compliant
version of PowerDVD/WinDVD/something else, HDCP compliant
motherboard/graphics card with an HDCP compliant HDMI/DVI connection
to an HDCP compliant monitor. At present studios haven't enforced
the HDCP encoding on the current crop of BluRays to allow
people with older hardware to enjoy the full HD signal. Once they do (on
a per disk basis) HD signal is downconverted to 950i (something similar).
You can also get a 3rd party program to switch this off in the
software level / rip the disk to your HD without this scheme.
There were or are also HDCP strippers around, a box which
takes an HDMI HDCP'd input and outputs a clear digital signal.
http://www.hdfury.com/
This is an HDCP stripper. It uses a legal HDCP device to remove the copy protection
and allow you clean signal in up to full HD 1080p (RGB).
A discussion of this product is available here:
http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4897425
The most expensive version costs $175.
HDfury Advanced Kit
Includes:
HDFury converter
Choice of extender cable
Choice of power supply
6' HDMI to DVI-D cable
6' USB 5V cable
This is an HDCP stripper. It uses a legal HDCP device to remove the copy protection
and allow you clean signal in up to full HD 1080p (RGB).
A discussion of this product is available here:
http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4897425
The most expensive version costs $175.
HDfury Advanced Kit
Includes:
HDFury converter
Choice of extender cable
Choice of power supply
6' HDMI to DVI-D cable
6' USB 5V cable
psivius
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This 2-in1 CPS must be something: Not only does it prevent people copying, it also prevents people uploading. And really now, there not going to be anything to copy from the content being broadcast that is not already on the file sharing networks.
HD TV cabling
I've looked into this. You *can* get 15m hdmi cables, but 15m is the maximum and you need really expensive cable (more than likely optical) and potentially one or two signal amplifiers to cover that distance. Your cable would also have to be rated at minimum 144.4 Khz for HD signal. This is a very costly option when compared to using plain coaxial!
I have two hd tv's roughly 20m away from one another and currently have a SD PVR. The most logical solution, being as multichoice advocate putting the decoders in two separate rooms seems to be:
Have the HD PVR cabled up in the far room (lounge) next to my largest HDTV.
Use 20m coax from the HD PVR to the SD PVR in the library (only requires one coax connection for the slave PVR as opposed to the usual twin LNB from the dish, if I understood it correctly). Run the SD PVR as usual for the other rooms it's already servicing. This way, you have the HD signal at source and the SD everywhere else.
HTH
Andy
I've looked into this. You *can* get 15m hdmi cables, but 15m is the maximum and you need really expensive cable (more than likely optical) and potentially one or two signal amplifiers to cover that distance. Your cable would also have to be rated at minimum 144.4 Khz for HD signal. This is a very costly option when compared to using plain coaxial!
I have two hd tv's roughly 20m away from one another and currently have a SD PVR. The most logical solution, being as multichoice advocate putting the decoders in two separate rooms seems to be:
Have the HD PVR cabled up in the far room (lounge) next to my largest HDTV.
Use 20m coax from the HD PVR to the SD PVR in the library (only requires one coax connection for the slave PVR as opposed to the usual twin LNB from the dish, if I understood it correctly). Run the SD PVR as usual for the other rooms it's already servicing. This way, you have the HD signal at source and the SD everywhere else.
HTH
Andy
aborg
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Installed HD PVR today...lots of problems with software still, channels all mixed up and I need to enter a PIN every time I change a channel, thats after I reset the PG control...hope they get it right by Friday.
arf9999
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HD picture is only possible via HDMI. The HD-PVR has one HDMI output only. You can buy a 10m HDMI cable for R285 +vat.
SD-PVR + HD-PVR = Watch 3, Record 3.
Not illegal according to Multichoice...."How to backup content (this is useful for when you are running out of space on your hard disk, but want to keep some of the content). Playback the recording you wish to keep and set your VCR to record at the same time. You now have the recording on a VCR and it can be deleted from the Playlist." http://www.dstv.com/pdf-files/07-PVR_viewers_guide.pdf
Obviously there are limits within you may record. But for instance any borrowing or lending which we are all guilty of in the past, seems to be illegal. All of that stuff is really stupid in my opinion.
HD or even digital PAL SD to VCR looks quite bad, especially if you
own a large screen TV. It's easier to just rip the HDCP and
encode digitally to one of those LG DVRs or DVR burners
or after ripping the HDCP signal plug the RGB input into a media
center/Apple TV system and encode there as H264, DivX or XviD
format MP4/AVI/QT file. Then you can stream the video signal anywhere in your house
or watch the content on a video iPod or other PMP.
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I wrote a mini thesis on my experience with the HD PVR decoder here:
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=129348&page=8
I hope it proves helpful.
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=129348&page=8
I hope it proves helpful.
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Any major electronic goods retailer should have them... if all else fails, the MultiChoice customer center in randburg is bound to have them.
But try your local HiFi corp, PnP, Game, Stax etc etc.
But try your local HiFi corp, PnP, Game, Stax etc etc.