dx10?

[killadoob]

Because it's the right thing to do?
I hope they make owning an illegal copy of Vista a pain in the neck for people like you.

Doesn't matter if it's expensive or not - if it's outside of your budget run something else.
People happily pay R2000+ for a graphics card and then moan about the cost of the OS ...

There are not over 600 million vga card users (hense the price)
there aremore than likely alot more than 600 million windows users who own a legit copy?
microsoft office again the same thing

yet they still charge so much

office pro 2200 rand come on now you cannot believe thats a good price

i know you think that illegal goods are bad but i think being ripped off by a multi multi billion dolla compay is bad

i hate microsoft purely because of this:

windows xp home
windows xp pro

why not sell one package at xp home's price

why have all these versions of the same operating system and charge us extra for domain login's

being ripped off once again

i hate you microsoft but i love your products kinda strange

 

[supersunbird]

I'll definately get Vista (buy) Is it backwards compatible with XP software? I can also say i have a legal copy of XP atm. ( a bit of double standards going here)

Your question is answered somewhere in THIS article...

 

[kingrob]

Seems like Microsoft read pitbulls' comments...

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/287555_vistapiracy05.html

 

[Pitbull]

Seems like Microsoft read pitbulls' comments...

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/287555_vistapiracy05.html

"Kay doesn't expect the new piracy measures to be that effective against hard-core pirates, who have built de facto businesses selling illegal Windows copies. But he thinks it will stop some lower-level piracy."

Why is it that they say this part every time they launch a MS product? LOL.

This OS was made by people for people and people can crack their stupid glitches they have on there.

Piracy of Windows will never be stopped. They must remember the IT guru's doesn't work for them only the mentally challenged developers..


lol....

 

[ShockG]

Piracy of Windows will never be stopped. They must remember the IT guru's doesn't work for them only the mentally challenged developers..

So mentally challenged that they spawned the most advanced graphics API in thew world to date. Yeah i just love how everybody is smarter and more capable than every developer working for MS..

 

[Pitbull]

So mentally challenged that they spawned the most advanced graphics API in thew world to date. Yeah i just love how everybody is smarter and more capable than every developer working for MS..

.... I might be wrong which I highly doubt. Isn't there a difference in the guys making and developing the GFX and the people developing Windows OS's ?

Just a question ????

 

[kingrob]

.... I might be wrong which I highly doubt. Isn't there a difference in the guys making and developing the GFX and the people developing Windows OS's ?

Definitely. To write graphics programming API's, you must know your stuff. That's why John Carmark became so rich, the Doom3 engine is a masterpiece & the reason so many companies licence it from id Software.

I'm sure there's a DirectX team at Microsoft, who liase with Ati & NVIDIA & a seperate team looking after the OS.

 

[Pitbull]

Definitely. To write graphics programming API's, you must know your stuff. That's why John Carmark became so rich, the Doom3 engine is a masterpiece & the reason so many companies licence it from id Software.

I'm sure there's a DirectX team at Microsoft, who liase with Ati & NVIDIA & a seperate team looking after the OS.

Thanx Kingrob......

I rest my case.....

 

[ShockG]

um, no. Part of what makes DX10 great is that it's an inherent part of the OS. That is why you can have paged memory for the graphics adapters and virtually unlimited resources. You can see it now in vista. You can render 3D windows of different content on the same screen without getting the "Lost device!" error, while Vista itself has access to the GPU. WDDM GFX driver is needed to make DX10 work. That is why DX10 is not possible on XP, APi/Driver layering has changed and the API itself as part of the OS does not havew the ~20~30% performance overhead that DX9 and before had.

The team that works on DX is mostly tied in to the team working on the OS as well. They are one in the same thing. ATI n nVidia's part in DX ended a long time ago in concept stage of what they would like to have in the API.

So what exactly is it you're resting?

 

[Pitbull]

um, no. Part of what makes DX10 great is that it's an inherent part of the OS. That is why you can have paged memory for the graphics adapters and virtually unlimited resources. You can see it now in vista. You can render 3D windows of different content on the same screen without getting the "Lost device!" error, while Vista itself has access to the GPU. WDDM GFX driver is needed to make DX10 work. That is why DX10 is not possible on XP, APi/Driver layering has changed and the API itself as part of the OS does not havew the ~20~30% performance overhead that DX9 and before had.

The team that works on DX is mostly tied in to the team working on the OS as well. They are one in the same thing. ATI n nVidia's part in DX ended a long time ago in concept stage of what they would like to have in the API.

So what exactly is it you're resting?

I'll never pay for Windows as long as I live ! But I'll easily pay R 2500.00 + for a great GFX card. People who pay for windows just don't know how to crack it/don't know someone that can. It's too expensive and that is that.

 

[kingrob]

um, no. Part of what makes DX10 great is that it's an inherent part of the OS. That is why you can have paged memory for the graphics adapters and virtually unlimited resources. You can see it now in vista. You can render 3D windows of different content on the same screen without getting the "Lost device!" error, while Vista itself has access to the GPU. WDDM GFX driver is needed to make DX10 work. That is why DX10 is not possible on XP, APi/Driver layering has changed and the API itself as part of the OS does not havew the ~20~30% performance overhead that DX9 and before had.

The team that works on DX is mostly tied in to the team working on the OS as well. They are one in the same thing. ATI n nVidia's part in DX ended a long time ago in concept stage of what they would like to have in the API.

So what exactly is it you're resting?

There are different teams (or should I say 'departments') working on DX10 - check out this article :

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1982032,00.asp

So, yes, pitbull, a lot of people must work together to let your game function in Windows Vista.

 

[Pitbull]

There are different teams (or should I say 'departments') working on DX10 - check out this article :

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1982032,00.asp

So, yes, pitbull, a lot of people must work together to let your game function in Windows Vista.

Nice article.....

Pls don't get me wrong i'm not shooting at anyone, i'm just trying to make a point that the Gates foundation is big enough and i can use my Free Vista.

 

[Paul_S]

Nice article.....

Pls don't get me wrong i'm not shooting at anyone, i'm just trying to make a point that the Gates foundation is big enough and i can use my Free Vista.

So because Toyota, Honda or VW are big enough it makes it ok to steal one of their cars off the showroom floor?

Theft is theft and stealing makes you a petty criminal whether it be sweets from a shop or an OS from MS.

 

[Pitbull]

There are different teams (or should I say 'departments') working on DX10 - check out this article :

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1982032,00.asp

So, yes, pitbull, a lot of people must work together to let your game function in Windows Vista.

So because Toyota, Honda or VW are big enough it makes it ok to steal one of their cars off the showroom floor?

Theft is theft and stealing makes you a petty criminal whether it be sweets from a shop or an OS from MS.

Fair is fair.... But OS's is not a resource that can be depleted.
I hear what your saying but stealing is only if you take something that belongs to someone else, but copying is making your own not taking someone else’s

 

[useless]

...but copying is making your own not taking someone else’s

thats the bumbest thing i have read in the whole week. Lets hope one day you actually create something of your own and not steal from others.

 

[Paul_S]

Fair is fair.... But OS's is not a resource that can be depleted.
I hear what your saying but stealing is only if you take something that belongs to someone else, but copying is making your own not taking someone else’s

Copying is only "making your own"?!

So did you write the OS or did you take (steal) what someone else created with their own time and resources? Try get that one past a BSA lawyer ...

 

[killadoob]

whats a BSA lawyer?

piracy is fine just dont sell it and your fine

pirate microsoft i agree with that fully

paul your comments about cars and stealing is totallyoff man

firstly a car is massive and takes alot of money to make
car companys are not worth 100 billion dolla's or more

they not even worth close to that

cars and software is like chalk and cheese buddie

if micrsoft sold their products at a reasonable price i might think about purchasing them

i did with windows xp home 600 is fine

but i would rather pirate xp pro than buy it, i did for many years?

why u ask:

xp pro is nearly twice as much as xp home and what is the difference? a tiny little domain thingie

now if the cheapest version of vista is like 1200 bucks i aint buying it

i will pirate it

its ripping microsoft off like they ripping the guys who buy legit copies

its nothing like stealing a car rofl

 

[Paul_S]

paul your comments about cars and stealing is totallyoff man

firstly a car is massive and takes alot of money to make
car companys are not worth 100 billion dolla's or more

they not even worth close to that

cars and software is like chalk and cheese buddie

You obviously have no clue how much it costs to develop an operating system.

Microsoft's R&D budget for 2004 was over $7 billion and 2005 was $6.2 billion.
Now not all of that goes to the OS but I recon probably close to half of it does.
So if they're spending a conservative $2 billion per year on Vista for the last 5 years that's $10 billion.
If they sell Vista at $100 they need to sell 100 million copies before they break even.
In case you didn't know - MS Office is their real money maker - not the OS.

Don't come along with the "it's cheap to develop an OS so let's all steal it" nonsense.

Oh and BSA stands for Business Software Alliance - the guys who bust your ass if they catch you copying.

 

[Nokkie]

so basically you still have to wait 365 day before purchasing dx10 and win vista? yes

 

[ShockG]

No you don't have to wait for 365 days. Vista will be available Q1 2007, DX10 hardware next month.

Those who feel entitled to pirate copies of windows are the ones who make sure it's expensive for the rest of us. You are trying to justify using software for free, which is B.S As others say you can buy a R4K GFX card but don't want to spend on an OS that will last you 4x as long at least.

As for DX10 team, that's how every OS is made. Some people deal with this aspect, others with another aspect and then it's all put together. The people working on DX10 could only get it to work if the rest of the OS was up to scratch. It's everybody developing different elements of Vista. One of which and is paramount is DX10. Off course there's a DX10 team but they don't work in isolation with the rest of the OS team. DX hands instructions over to WDDM driver and because of the way Vista is designed driver now sits in user space and not kernel space, hence the increased stability and ability to share the graphics resources. Driver model is tied to DX operation and that is all OS.