E-toll registration begins

The current proposed implementation is not even really effective or efficient. You can go between some off and onramps without paying anything but going to the next offramp you suddenly have to pay for a whole 10km trip but you've only been on the highway for 4 km.
 
The revolt is starting. I'm not getting an e-tag even if Sanral is giving them away for free.

Yep, and just to be clear here.... buying an e-tag means giving them access to your bank account. This means they can just deduct any amount they think you owe them.
So if someone else is using your number plate, or if they screw up on the amount, it will just be taken out of your account.
I can think of no reason why I should trust these guys, given that THEY HAVE ALREADY PROVEN THEMSELVES TO BE LIARS AND UNSCRUPULOUS!
 
I believe that we should really pay for the upgrading of our roads, but I disagree with the amount.

1. How did they manage to build these roads in the first place years ago when we had less road users and taxpayers?

2. Tolling is one thing, tolling the primary means of transport between what is essentially a metropolis without providing alternative roads (building new roads for tolling). GTFO

3. Government and whoever built these roads aren't going to refund me for the paint and windscreen damage from the damn rocks on these new tar roads, what a dumbass decision that was. Also, the quality of these upgrades suck.

4. There's just waaaay too many dodgy factors concerning the financing of this thing. Not to mention where the money is going, how much they're planning to make over the entire course of the tolling exercise etc. No thank you, I won't have anything to do with this ANC scheme.

5. I'm choosing not to pay because I'm gatvol of everything to do with government. I don't pay SABC, I don't pay traffic fines, I don't pay e-tag toll, I don't pay anything anymore if it's not being deducted from my salary before I get my cash. This place and its double standards can kiss my ass. If the majority party, the most financially corrupt one ever, can call me I'm a criminal without being held accountable I'll act like one.

6. Where's the money for the carbon tax on new vehicles? We all know it was just another money making scheme. They can use that to pay off these roads, or better yet, work on getting back a portion of the billions wasted on corruption.

7. If taxi's don't pay, I don't pay. Simple as that. I don't care about our "unique" African dilemma anymore. Most of the poor "previously disadvantaged" people can kiss my ass too, they're starting to drag me down the drain as well and this is where my charity stops. I don't lie awake at night feeling guilty, it's a waste of life.

8. We know that if this works out and government open up another means of making millions to feed their fat faces we're going to see toll roads all over the country, and this in what is essentially a 3rd world country.

9. I'm still pissed at the billions we had to dish out on the World Cup. I don't have the "feel good" sport or patriotic gene some people do. I see each and every cent of my tax money spent on those crippled white elephants as a massive insult to a country which should be focusing on solving REAL problems, and there's a metric phuckton of those. If we lumped those billions together with the money we're funneling towards Eskom so that we could import the skills and equipment needed to set up shop for building "green energy" solutions (propellers, solar infrastucture etc.) we could've started building our own solutions while making use of the crapload of willing but jobless labour we have sitting around smoking weed at the local shebeens to export products to Europe or whatever. None of which requires governments intervention, we just need them to manage and sign the subsidies to stimulate the process.

10. I'm tired of hearing about nationalization and the evils of capitalism and colonialism, but the moment the ANC needs to do anything remotely competent, or need more money, they turn to private overseas companies so that they than screw over the people who paid to build infrastructure in the first place. We're being sold back what we bought, with tons of interest and dirty hands in the jar, yet I'm supposed to justify this because "they're trying to help me get to work faster". Nice.
 
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I can't even begin to express how much this tolling fiasco pisses me off!~ 42c per kilometer and that is with discounts...are you off your freakin head mate?

I agree fully with Evilstebunny and Raptor on all their points!

This is the MAIN JHB highway that people USE TO GET TO WORK everyday, to keep the economy afloat, and you want to charge us to use it? FVCK THAT! The fvcking cheeky swines!

And we know with all the corruption going on that loads of cadres will have their mitts in the cookie jar, the money will be squandered hopelessly etc etc. MASSIVE fail!
 
You guys overlook one MAJOR detail... Even if the costs are acceptable and the tolling was a good idea.

WHO keeps all the Direct Debit information secure? SANRAL have a hotline right in to your bank account and there is no 'Dispute' or checking system.
 
You guys overlook one MAJOR detail... Even if the costs are acceptable and the tolling was a good idea.
WHO keeps all the Direct Debit information secure? SANRAL have a hotline right in to your bank account and there is no 'Dispute' or checking system.

Um, that's what I said @ Post # 22.
 
1. How did they manage to build these roads in the first place years ago when we had less road users and taxpayers?

Cheap black labour. Non-foreign companies.

2. Tolling is one thing, tolling the primary means of transport between what is essentially a metropolis without providing alternative roads (building new roads for tolling). GTFO

That's what the gautrain is meant for.

3. Government and whoever built these roads aren't going to refund me for the paint and windscreen damage from the damn rocks on these new tar roads, what a dumbass decision that was. Also, the quality of these upgrades suck.

The upgrades before the world cup were decent [the world was watching?] post world cup is really bad and cheap - they need to replace that stuff ALREADY [1 year in] while we've had the old N1 for ages with no problems... really is a bad job.

6. Where's the money for the carbon tax on new vehicles? We all know it was just another money making scheme. They can use that to pay off these roads, or better yet, work on getting back a portion of the billions wasted on corruption.

Good question, where does that money go to? I just missed getting a Jazz because of that tax.

7. If taxi's don't pay, I don't pay. Simple as that. I don't care about our "unique" African dilemma anymore. Most of the poor "previously disadvantaged" people can kiss my ass too, they're starting to drag me down the drain as well and this is where my charity stops. I don't lie awake at night feeling guilty, it's a waste of life.

The reason taxi don't pay is because they'd burn the place down...

8. We know that if this works out and government open up another means of making millions to feed their fat faces we're going to see toll roads all over the country, and this in what is essentially a 3rd world country.

Funny thing, I drove from JHB to Capetown - once I was out of GP, I only saw 1 toll gate... the tunnel under the mountain at cape town (which I don't mind paying, that tunnel is awesome)

If we lumped those billions together with the money we're funneling towards Eskom so that we could import the skills and equipment needed to set up shop for building "green energy" solutions (propellers, solar infrastucture etc.) we could've started building our own solutions while making use of the crapload of willing but jobless labour

Isn't the carbon tax meant to help for green energy? But couldn't agree more, the 2010 world cup was a waste of money, could have spent is so much better.
 
Funny thing, I drove from JHB to Capetown - once I was out of GP, I only saw 1 toll gate... the tunnel under the mountain at cape town (which I don't mind paying, that tunnel is awesome)

You missed one outside Bloem.
 
Isn't the carbon tax meant to help for green energy? .
Is tax not meant to help people that has no health care, houses, education.. i could go on.

Where do you think the tax go that you are now paying on new cars? Towards "greening the environment"? It is going towards greening the pockets of the ANC and their buddies.
 
Boycott! We need to stand together regarding this farce. If the masses refuse to pay then they have no power. End of story. I've heard of some parties planning mass action demonstrations to get at least 60000+ vehicles to "park" on the highway. If this happens I will definitely be there with my mates, some beers and a cadac....fun day in the sun on the N1! :)
 
Is tax not meant to help people that has no health care, houses, education.. i could go on.

Where do you think the tax go that you are now paying on new cars? Towards "greening the environment"? It is going towards greening the pockets of the ANC and their buddies.

Your post reminds me of the 'Plastic bag recycling centres' that became mandatory years ago... I wonder what percentage of the cost is actually being used for environmental purposes.
 
Your post reminds me of the 'Plastic bag recycling centres' that became mandatory years ago... I wonder what percentage of the cost is actually being used for environmental purposes.

And what about having to pay for plastic bag...

Ish, more and more and more and more costs with absolutely no real long term improvements in our country...
 
Your post reminds me of the 'Plastic bag recycling centres' that became mandatory years ago... I wonder what percentage of the cost is actually being used for environmental purposes.

And what about having to pay for plastic bag...

Ish, more and more and more and more costs with absolutely no real long term improvements in our country...
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Someone got wealthy. And it’s not the people they said would benefit.

They can tag their anuses with the etag, Before I see my tax money work the way it is suppose to work I will not be paying them a cent more.
 
It would be great if everyone does boycotts this etag nonsense but I have the feeling that while folks here will hold out, in the end the majority of people will be like this...

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It would be great if everyone does boycotts this etag nonsense but I have the feeling that while folks here will hold out, in the end the majority of people will be like this...

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well, there are always a few weak willed cowards. But we dont need them. We just need a critical mass to cause enough kak to grind sanral to a halt. And judging by the public response so far I think that is going to happen.
 
Awesome! This stick it to the guvmint vibe is great.

Full support from down here- if you okes pull this off and SANRAL backs down, the chances of tolls here decreases :D

Stuff SANRAL.
 
I see that they put up the signs at the Lynnwood offramp indicating that you are entering a toll road, all the prices is R000.00 at the moment, so yeah its not a question if this is going to go ahead, its a question of how hard we are going to get screwed. Really frighting that they allow for R999.99 !
 
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