e.tv warning on digital decoders

[terminator2]

Another decoder

Where the hell are we supposed to keep plugging in all these damn things. I think i can fit another decoder, but what about peeps with a fairly standard tv?

DVD Player, Games Console 1, Games console 2, Mnet decoder, VCR, Second decoder? Some people plug thier PC's to their tv's, etc

LOL i totally agree im running out of plug points and eskom running out of power to supply me lol

 

[gregmcc]

i will hack

Good luck with Irdeto2

 

[Ivork]

Good luck with Irdeto2

Hmm satelite yes, Good luck. Not sure if they use that for terrestrial DVB signal encryption tho.
Then you would be talking smartcards & expensive decoders.

EDIT: The way I understand it, the only reason to encrypt the signal would be because you would only want the people (subscribers) who have paid up to be able to view your transmission, which is what (unfortuantly) they have decided not to do.

 

[Ivork]

DVD Player, Games Console 1, Games console 2, Mnet decoder, VCR, Second decoder? Some people plug thier PC's to their tv's, etc

...Exactly! Appart from the fact that none of the tv's here are digital or have digital tuners, none of them have SCART multiple input output plugs either!!

They all seem to come with RCA plugs, and only 2 or 3 at most!
What the hells up with that?!! Pathetic!

Good dumping ground for cheap rubbish and we so stupid we pay heaps for this sh*t and walk away thinking we got a good deal!

 

[Slooth]

Free to view channels? Everyone miss that oxymoron?

 

[Ivork]

Warning

Here's a warning:

I need a new Tv and was at Hi-Fi Corp.
I asked one of the managers which TV's were digital and his reply was:
"Sir, all the HD tv's are digital". Total Bull! I spent nearly 2 hours inspecting all the HD and HD ready tv's and none of them were.

The problem is the general public don't have a clue what's going on.

If everyone went in there demanding a digital TV with SCART plugs for all the thousands of peripharels, I have no doubt they would soon start getting some decent stuff.

Good grief, digital switch-on is due November, and you still can'nt buy a digital TV! That sucks!

Makes me sick!

 

[Ivork]

Free to view channels? Everyone miss that oxymoron?

Umm, yes me.
I know what an oxywhateverthatis is, but missing your plot.
What are you saying?

 

[PeterCH]

You wouldn't need a decoder if it was built into your tv already like the rest of the world , but us dummies still buy these cr@p old square analog tv's.
(Even the new Plasma and LCD 20 grand jobs at hi-fi corp are ALL analog! Utterly pathetic!- I know cause I checked - every single one of them!)
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?p=1483033#post1483033

My Japanese made (and domestically released) Hitachi set has no digital
receiver either. In fact it's a pure monitor which betters everything, because
if SABC switch off the analog signal, and I kill DSTV, I won't have to
pay TV licence anymore.

In fact once SABC kill the analog signal and you fail to buy their digital box
(and kill DSTV) you won't have to pay either, since all these analog TVs will be worthless.

 

[PeterCH]

If everyone went in there demanding a digital TV with SCART plugs for all the thousands of peripharels, I have no doubt they would soon start getting some decent stuff.

Good grief, digital switch-on is due November, and you still can'nt buy a digital TV! That sucks!

What do you mean can't buy a digital TV? If the TV has DVI or HDMI inputs,
it's digital. In fact all LCD and plasma sets are digital internally, they all digitise the signal on the go and do various processing on it, not limited to scaling, resizing and so on.

 

[Ivork]

What do you mean can't buy a digital TV? If the TV has DVI or HDMI inputs,
it's digital. In fact all LCD and plasma sets are digital internally, they all digitise the signal on the go and do various processing on it, not limited to scaling, resizing and so on.

Is that what they told you?

No my friend, we talking digital tuner here. Digital signal, 5:1 surround etc from a land broadcast.

Almost all lcd and plasma TV's sold here are cr@ppy old analog junk which they sell to us because they can! (not me, told them to keep their rubbish, but I could do with one if i could find one).

Does your TV have more than one arial imput? A digital one will always have two. One for digital and one for analog - and a third for anolog out (at the mo for backward compatability) because VCR's and other peripheral equipment many are not digital.

Did you read my previous post about digital TV? Read it.
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?p=1483033#post1483033

 

[Glordit]

wtfever...
there is total crap on SABC these day's and DSTV is no bettter, and I don't watch sport...

Trust me register here get a crap load of int bandwith and start watching...

http://www.bleachexile.com/

eTV is probaly right, SABC is going to "force" you to buy one... and then what ooh wow, crap TV programs in HD! just what I wanted

 

[PeterCH]

No my friend, we talking digital tuner here. Digital signal, 5:1 surround etc from a land broadcast.

Almost all lcd and plasma TV's sold here are cr@ppy old analog junk which they sell to us because they can! (not me, told them to keep their rubbish, but in could do with one).

Does your TV have more than one arial imput? A digital one will always have two. One for digital and one for analog - and a third for anolog out (at the mo for backward compatability) because VCR's and other peripheral equipment many are not digital.

Did you read my previous post about digital TV? Read it.
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?p=1483033#post1483033

The set I own is quite premium grade believe me, it's no junk. It is a monitor though which is good.

First of all I use my set for DVD viewing and secondly for DSTV. DVDs are at SD, upconverted by the set, the DSTV signal is also upconverted but the
signal is much worse than DVD material in terms of perceived resolution, though its also SD PAL on paper.

Now I don't watch SABC now and I don't plan on watching it in the future, and if I want to I can watch it on the DSTV decoder. I think most people who can afford flat screen TVs usually also get DSTV and/or a DVD player with a collection of DVDs to view - not to mention BD or PS3 and HD movies.

So while you have a gripe about the TV sets sold at HiFi (many of which may not even be TVs but are just monitors - have no receiver) I think you can't simply say that lack of a built in digital receiver makes the TV/panel a piece of junk. For me colour reproduction, contrast and resolution are king,
everything else is secondary.

The presence of HDMI/DVI input makes provision for a fully digital pathway between the medium (DVD/BD player) and the electronic circuitry driving the set.
No Digital to Analog to Digital conversion as with component input.

 

[PeterCH]

wtfever...
there is total crap on SABC these day's and DSTV is no bettter, and I don't watch sport...

Trust me register here get a crap load of int bandwith and start watching...

http://www.bleachexile.com/

eTV is probaly right, SABC is going to "force" you to buy one... and then what ooh wow, crap TV programs in HD! just what I wanted

Donors get extra bandwith though. There are even nicer sites than that one .

 

[Glordit]

Donors get extra bandwith though. There are even nicer sites than that one .

Yea, I know waaay better sites! but I don't kiss and tell

 

[Ivork]

So while you have a gripe about the TV sets sold at HiFi (many of which may not even be TVs but are just monitors - have no receiver) I think you can't simply say that lack of a built in digital receiver makes the TV/panel a piece of junk. No Digital to Analog to Digital conversion as with component input.

Point taken, but if they had been selling us decent stuff for the last 8 odd years, there wouldn't be such a stink about the whole addon set-top-box decoder BS!

PS: sorry about your "premium grade tv" that isn't even digital boet!
Me thinks you got screwed. RCA plugs and all.

 

[PeterCH]

Point taken, but if they had been selling us decent stuff for the last 8 odd years, there wouldn't be such a stink about the whole addon set-top-box decoder BS!

PS: sorry about your "premium grade tv" that isn't even digital boet!
Me thinks you got screwed.

Hitachi plasma . nuff said.

 

[Ivork]

Hitachi plasma . nuff said.

Indeed can't go wrong.
Mines Hitachi too. CRT job tho. I'm of the opinion that it's still quicker than plasm or lcd, esp the 100mhz ones. but so old now and can't find a widecreen 32" or bigger 16:9 CRT anywhere...! Any ideas ? - im in Cape Town. (and must be digital of course ) Don't mind shipping from JHB tho.

 

[ic]

Icasa spokesman Sekgoela Sekgoela said: “We are awaiting a directive from the department.”

Translation: We here at !CASA are not independent from the Dementia of Communistications, and we need our esteemed leaders Poison Ivy and Stalin-Mafole to tell us how to do our jobs in such a way as to screw consumers as much as possible...

Kganyago said he was unable to elaborate on the contents of the SABC’s submissions to the communications authority.

“I am not able to talk about our submissions before Icasa has had the opportunity to look at them.

“We will never switch off anyone. That is not our intention. We don’t operate like private broadcasters.”

Maybe not switch anyone off, but I suspect regular channel content would be replaced with something like a BSOD and the following text:

All your channels are belonging to SAN{B}C, and we want extra big bonuses this year, so cough up our money you filthy consumer.

 

[Ivork]

Maybe not switch anyone off, but I suspect regular channel content would be replaced by something like:

No way. This will operate similair to Mnet decoders - except digital so much better picture with 5:1 channels out etc (unless the decoders they want to flog us are shyte). You don't pay for mnet, signal gets scrambeled - but all the rest are OK right.

Should be the same. You don't pay SABC - SABC gets scrambeled. (unfortunatly they don't want to do that so we'll still all have to pay) But they they can't make your whole decoder redundant for the sake of 3 non-payedup channnels (SABC), which I think is what E-Tv's objection is.....althaugh I doubt they have a clue what's going on either because neither the state nor SABC can do that - not with the present system sentech has been testing for last 2 years and the one most lickely to be implemented anyway.

SABC don't "own" your digital tv or set top box etc. Any court will find in favour of the defendant - SABC cannot dissable your whole system if you don't pay them. Dissable their own channels yes,(ooh now we entering into pay tv territory and they supposed to be public broadcaster)

Unless thats all troast and they trying something else different to rest of world now I'm unaware of. DvB digital doesn't work that way. No one has complete control of your hardware (TV, decoder, pci card, or whatever digital tuner you may be useing) unlike monochoice with their substandard satelite offering. Forget comparing satelite with Terrestrial (although they both digital in a way, they ways appart).

They dissable my whole digital TV so I cann't see anything because I didn't pay them / late/ whatever, and I'll contest that like a shot! and win.

But like I said, with present system - not possible - so I have no clue what Etv is up in arms about - or they morons who don't know much about what is going on.

 

[BiteMe]

i think i mentioned this before, but i'll have another go.
most dvb-t sets sold here in europe also have cam slots. for pay-tv.
so, you can receive 60 channels over dvb-t, and if you stick your valid-paid-up smartcard in then the other 5 get decrypted...and you get 65 (or whatever..)

i had a think about this a while ago and i think it is the perfect time for sabc to introduce a smartcard. pay your tv license, smartcard is valid, channels decrypted...dont pay tv license, smartcard gets revoked. dont like the idea? they dont care, analogue is switched off...so you either pay tv license or you dont watch

i'm not saying they are going to do this.
i'm not saying they should do this.

what i am saying is that in my little head where everyone else is a devious little thief, i think they can do this.

an example is www.topuptv.com transmitted over the existing dvb-t uk freeview network, giving access to setanta sports and some cartoon channels if you have a valid paid-up smartcard.

To ivork, you are right that they dont have control over your hardware, but that doesnt mean they wont broadcast encrypted. you will also have a tough time finding readily available dvb-t pc cards with cam slots.

i'm also a bit perplexed at what e-tv are trying to argue against.
seeing as you need a tv license in s.a. to receive broadcast transmissions (channel agnostic), if someone hasnt got a license it would be within the power of the licensing authorities to prevent them watching tv...not just sabc channels, but all tv (as per the letter of the law, not my personal opinion)

so if sabc do implement cams and cut people off, are e-tv arguing that unlicensed viewers should still be able to receive e-tv?
if they are, that is clearly against the law, as already written.