Eggs - how much is to much?

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I love eggs - especially boiled eggs. I probably consume around 5 - 7 a week, sometimes less.

I know eggs are known as one of the super foods, but they are also high in cholesterol. I've read that one boiled egg can contain as much as +/− 60% of your RDA of cholesterol intake.

Are they of the good cholesterol type, and should I limit my intake of boiled eggs?
 
What we have been lead to believe about cholesterol is complete bullschit. Read up:

http://eatingacademy.com/nutrition/the-straight-dope-on-cholesterol-part-i

Eggs are flipping fantastic for you. Cholesterol is mostly good for you. Fats do not cause cholesterol cardio problems. Cholesterol doesn't cause cardio problems. People need to start educating themselves about this nonsense lipid hypothesis that we've been fed since the 50s. Science has come a long way since then. It's probably the biggest intentional con ever perpetuated...
 
If eggs could kill you I would have died a long time ago. I have more than a dozen of eggs a weak.

I know one guy that religiously eats 3 eggs every morning and there's nothing wrong with him either.

So carry on and eat your eggs.
 
Right on, DJ and Ponder. It's amazing how many people including doctors are still stuck in 70s eggs-cholesterol claptrap.

Nonsense food myths are a close second behind nonsense religious myths.
 
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Interesting read if true!

And Now the Good News: Reversing Heart Disease
On July 21, 1990, The Lancet published the findings of Dean Ornish, M.D., who demonstrated that heart disease can actually be reversed without medicines.13 Until then, most doctors were not even attempting to reverse heart disease, even though it was, as it is now, the most common cause of death. Most believed that the plaques of cholesterol and other substances that clog the arteries to the heart would not go away. The traditional way to remove them was to wait until they became severe enough to warrant a bypass or angioplasty.

At the University of California in San Francisco, Dr. Ornish tested the theory that a more potent diet, along with other lifestyle changes, might actually reverse heart disease. He selected patients who had plaques that were clearly visible on angiograms and split the patients into two groups. Half were referred to a control group in which they received the standard care that doctors prescribe for heart patients. The other half began a vegetarian diet in which less than 10 percent of calories were contributed by fat. They were also asked to begin a program of modest exercise and learned to manage stress through a variety of simple techniques. Of course, smoking was not permitted.

Dr. Ornish’s patients started to feel better almost immediately, and continued to improve over the course of the year. They had previously been struggling with the crushing chest pain of heart disease, but “most of them became essentially pain-free,” Dr. Ornish said, “even though they were doing more activities, going back to work, and doing things that they hadn’t been able to do, in some cases, for years.”

Not only did their cholesterol levels drop dramatically, but, after a year, 82 percent of the patients who followed Dr. Ornish’s program showed measurable reversal of their coronary artery blockages. The plaques were starting to dissolve with no medications, no surgery, and no side effects.

The control group, following the more traditional medical routine, did not do so well. For most patients, chest pain did not go away, but continued to get worse, and their plaques continued to grow, cutting off blood flow to the heart a bit more with every passing day.

The work of Dr. Ornish and others has made previous recommendations obsolete.

Many doctors still recommend “chicken and fish” diets, even though a number of studies have shown that, in general, heart patients who make such moderate dietary changes tend to get worse over time. Those who adopt a low-fat, vegetarian diet, get daily physical activity, avoid tobacco, and manage stress, stand the best chance of reversing heart disease.

We now have the most powerful tools yet for gaining control over the health of our hearts.

http://www.pcrm.org/health/health-topics/cholesterol-and-heart-disease
 
https://www.bhf.org.uk/default.aspx?page=12920

If you are worried about your cholesterol, cutting back on saturated fat is likely to make more of an impact on your diet than cutting back on the amount of eggs you eat.

While the average Brit only eats about 2 to 3 eggs a week, our intake of saturated fat still exceeds the recommended maximums.

So, this latest story is all a bit of a storm in an egg cup really. The fact that eggs are lower in cholesterol now than they were previously is interesting. But it doesn’t make any difference to our advice – it’s still about how you cook your eggs, rather than how much cholesterol is in them.
 
Right on, DJ and Ponder. It's amazing how many people including doctors are still stuck in 70s eggs-cholesterol claptrap.

That's because the cross-section of a lipoprotein is not really covered in medical school, so they simply learn the very basic myths that have perpetuated the field. Ask your MD how density of a lipoprotein is measured and the vast majority won't know the answer (other than stating the methods used, without understanding what exactly is being measured). Ask them why the density is supposedly important and they'll spew the myths they were taught. Because they weren't adequately schooled in the cross section of lipoproteins and their fundamental biology, especially on a cellular level.

Here are the basics that most doctors don't know, and haven't bothered to subsequently educate themselves about:

All cholesterol is vital to survival. There is no such thing as bad cholesterol. Without it, we wouldn't have cellular integrity.
Cholesterol cannot move freely in the body because it is hydrophobic. It therefore requires a carrier. That carrier is called a lipoprotein, which cholesterol molecules bind to in order to move in the body.
Lipoproteins vary in density based on their ratio of lipids to proteins, hence how we are able to distinguish between Low Density Lipoproteins (LDl) and High Density Lipoproteins (HDL). It's the ratio that determines density.
These density variances are actually incredibly small. In the region of about 15% in density variance between the tiniest of lipoproteins to the largest. The real variance comes in size - in the magnitude of 1000s of times variances between them in terms of volume.
As they travel through the body, the shed triglycerides making them smaller and packed with more cholesterol
Both HDL and LDL are necessary. To simplify this, HDL carries energy to cells, and LDL cleans it up. LDL is actually needed to clear up our arteries, or we'd just be chock full of cholesterol all of the time. LDL is not bad in the body.
Most of the serious heart problems are caused by inflammation of the arterial wall, mostly caused by LDL attaching itself to sub-endothelium layers in the arterial walls. Note that it is not the cholesterol that's the problem. Cholesterol is simply carried on LDL particles, remember? It is the LDL itself. In addition, it's not the size that matters, it is the particle count.
So, cholesterol isn't the bad guy here - it's certain LDL particles that are. The cholesterol then remains behind and oxidises, at which point inflammation starts.
So what you want to reduce is the number of these LDL particles in your body, NOT necessarily cholesterol at all.

It is entirely possible and not uncommon to have low cholesterol, but a high number of LDL particles. It is also entirely possible and very common to have high cholesterol and a low LDL particle count. Therefore measuring cholesterol levels is of no real importance whatsoever. This measurement is what all docs perform, and make determinations based on this. Many people land up on statin drugs (cholesterol lowering) based on this alone. This is called LDL-C measurement.

It is wrong! Entirely wrong. What should be measured is LDL-P, which is the LDL particle count.

So the next time you're told that your cholesterol is high, or the next time someone says your LDL-C is high, tell them to fsck off. They measured the wrong flippen thing, and this is especially problematic if you're being placed on statin drugs to address it, as they have their own set of serious problems.

Demand an LDL-P measurement if you want to measure risk of heart disease. Don't rely on traditional cholesterol tests, and tell your doc to educate him/herself if they make any recommendations based on these overly-simplistic and entirely useless measurements.

Perhaps this needs its own thread?
 
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If you are worried about your cholesterol, cutting back on saturated fat is likely to make more of an impact on your diet than cutting back on the amount of eggs you eat.

And that is once again another common medical myth. Saturated fats are absolutely essential to a healthy cardiovascular system. Cutting back on them may in fact put you at greater risk. In fact it probably will.

There are different forms of saturated fats, and once again this is a topic that people have completely oversimplified, is hardly actually taught in medical school, and therefore the myths continue to perpetuate, partly as a result of the first cholesterol myth.

Saturation and health is entirely dependent on the length of the carbon chain (and a few other indicators). Simply stating that saturated fats are bad is poor journalism, and even worse medical advice if its given. The issue is far more complex than that. I've posted about this in depth on the forum...

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/571075-Public-fed-a-diet-of-deceit
And plenty in the original weight loss thread...
 
http://www.getridofhighcholesterol.com/cholesterol-eggs/

Eggs and Cholesterol – Are Eggs Bad For Your Heart or Not?

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Okay, remember before I said I wanted to get back to an important point about eggs and cholesterol levels?

This is where I get a little "technical". But stay with me as this is important to know.

Most people would never think of eating 2-3 eggs every day for fear that their heart would explode after a few weeks.

But that’s exactly what a recent study group did.

For the overwhelming majority of people, any changes in cholesterol levels were very small and irrelevant.

There was a small group … labeled as hyper-sensitive … that did in fact show an increase in cholesterol.

But hold on, because the news isn’t all bad.

In fact, it’s not bad news at all.

You see, the bad LDL cholesterol and the good HDL cholesterol BOTH went up for this sensitive group. So their HDL/LDL ratio stayed the same.

And as you hopefully know by now, the HDL ratio is a much better indicator than your Total Cholesterol number.

But the news gets even better…

Further analysis of the increased LDL showed that the increase was due to the LDL particles getting bigger, not more numerous.

What does that mean exactly?

Without sounding like a science class, just know that the smaller particles are the ones that do the damage. Having more of the bigger particles mean LESS risk for artery plaque build-up.

This is true even for those labeled as hyper-sensitive to eggs.

Conclusion…

High cholesterol foods (including eggs) do not necessarily cause an increase in blood cholesterol levels.

And as reported by the Harvard Medical School, the only large study to look at the impact of egg consumption on heart disease – not on cholesterol levels or other so-called risk factors – found no connection between the two.

And here's more good news on egg consumption found in The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition.

Many nutritionists and researchers (along with yours truly) are now calling for health care professionals to revise the recommendations on eggs to reflect these findings from the most recently published research.

Want more good news?…

Other high cholesterol foods like shrimp are also not the heart attack risk that we’ve been led to believe.

Bottom Line: Eating 1-2 eggs every single day, including the yolks, is either inconsequential … or most likely beneficial… to your artery and heart health. (And your body will love the protein boost!) That's because the connection between eating eggs and cholesterol levels has been either exaggerated or outright falsified.
 
And that is once again another common medical myth. Saturated fats are absolutely essential to a healthy cardiovascular system. Cutting back on them may in fact put you at greater risk. In fact it probably will.

There are different forms of saturated fats, and once again this is a topic that people have completely oversimplified, is hardly actually taught in medical school, and therefore the myths continue to perpetuate, partly as a result of the first cholesterol myth.

Saturation and health is entirely dependent on the length of the carbon chain (and a few other indicators). Simply stating that saturated fats are bad is poor journalism, and even worse medical advice if its given. The issue is far more complex than that. I've posted about this in depth on the forum...

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/571075-Public-fed-a-diet-of-deceit
And plenty in the original weight loss thread...

I wish I had your knowledge! Thanks!
 
Please don't take medical advice from myBB forums. That's all.

This is not medical advice it's a valid discussion about the health effect of eating eggs! I love eggs and at one time stopped consuming them due to false information, then I learned eggs are beneficial and not the cause, neither even contributes to heart disease. Read the links and educate yourself some.

BTW on any advice DJ gives about food you can be 100% sure would have been well researched and can be studied as factual on the net.
 
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Please don't take medical advice from myBB forums. That's all.

Hence why I created a thread for it and cited all sources, which in turn are cited with actual research. Ordinarily I'd side with your opinion on this as it is sound, but knowing you, this is simply another of your trolling escapades, or a reason to have a dig at me.

You're welcome to refute if you like?
 
It's attainable. I wasn't born with it...;)

Sure but my interest in foods was to consume it, not to know the science behind it, now I find it a tad impossible to catch up on at my age apart from when I pick up some interesting headline to read on it. When it comes to Industrial Instrumentation, automation and PLC programming as well as electronics then I know where my time went as a youngster and beyond.

I learned about this egg conundrum a while ago but I could not find the scientific study link now. Apparently the initial problem was that the medical fraternity tested for cholesterol directly after consuming eggs therefore the alarm raised but if they rather tested after an extended period then they would have learned the truth and of course the USA cereal corporations grabbed on the idea so they could sell more cereal breakfast foods. Was actually much more complex and elaborate than that but that's the part I remember well and latched on.
 
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Sure but my interest in foods was to consume it, not to know the science behind it, now I find it a tad impossible to catch up on at my age apart from when I pick up some interesting headline to read on it. When it comes to Industrial Instrumentation, automation and PLC programming as well as electronics then I know where my time went as a youngster and beyond.

I learned about this egg conundrum a while ago but I could not find the scientific study link now. Apparently the initial problem was that the medical fraternity tested for cholesterol directly after consuming eggs therefore the alarm raised but if they rather tested after an extended period then they would have learned the truth and of course the USA cereal corporations grabbed on the idea so they could sell more cereal breakfast foods. Was actually much more complex and elaborate than that but that's the part I remember well and lathed on.

Back in the 50s when the US government got together to form a committee to regulate health on behalf of Americans, they used eggs as the bad guy to show the harm of saturated fats. At the time there was considerable evidence that this was nonsense but there were a few vested interests in the group who shut them up. This committee were the ones who released the false lipid hypothesis, even against all true evidence, and the myth was born. As was the largest con, and most dangerous medical scam ever perpetuated.

Government funding in this field went straight to support of the lipid hypothesis and not unbiased research, as it should have. And eggs took a really bad rap in the process.

Or at least that's how the story goes. There are some references to this in the documentary called Fat Head, just after the halfway mark of the film...
 
I eat about about 25 egg yolks a week with about 40 egg whites. My cholesterol is just fine. After whey isolate eggs have the highest biological value (bioavailable protein) of all protein sources. Eggs are awesome!
 
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