Eggs - how much is to much?

DJ, what about bacon with egg? I'm just not into the detailed biochemistry, but am of the belief that bacon is perfectly fine.

The reason I ask is that the article Seriously posted says "Research has shown that we usually have our eggs alongside foods high in saturated fat, such as bacon, sausage and buttered toast. This meal pattern raises LDL levels and makes the effect of eating eggs worse than it actually is."

Leaving aside the linguistic point that the last clause is a semantic non sequitur, I get what he is trying to say: Bacon makes things worse.

Several times a week I typically have a two- or three-egg omelette, usually with a little cheese before folding over. And 4-5 rashers of streaky bacon, fried without any oils or butter.

My metaphorical gut tells me this can't be dietary evil.
 
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Arthur said:
DJ, what about bacon with egg? I'm just not into the detailed biochemistry, but am of the belief that bacon is perfectly fine.

The reason I ask is that the article Seriously posted says "Research has shown that we usually have our eggs alongside foods high in saturated fat, such as bacon, sausage and buttered toast. This meal pattern raises LDL levels and makes the effect of eating eggs worse than it actually is."

Leaving aside the linguistic point that the last clause is a semantic non sequitur, I get what he is trying to say: Bacon makes things worse.

Several times a week I typically have a two- or three-egg omelette, usually with a little cheese before folding over. And 4-5 rashers of streaky bacon, fried without any oils or butter.

My metaphorical gut tells me this can't be dietary evil.
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It's not evil, it's the way you should eat. Eat as much bacon and eggs fried in butter or coconut oil as you like and your body and brain will thank you
 
From the reading and research I've done, bacon is actually very good for you. The problem comes when they process it and add sugar to give it a longer shelf life as well as that the bacon we get in the supermarkets is from corn fed animals. You really would like to get the most natural bacon you can from farm animals that are eating as naturally as possible. That goes for all meat actually. Having said that, I would far rather (and I do) eat supermarket bacon and eggs for breakfast than any of the boxed cereals.

Just a word on LDL cholesterol... This is actually a calculated number (Friedewald Equation) not measured and although it is labelled bad cholesterol, the Pattern A LDL is in fact good for you and you need it in the body. The small Particle B LDL is what you don't want as that is what penetrates the arterial wall and is found in those people with CHD (cardiovascular heart disease). No lab that I'm aware of measures LDL particle size in SA, but you can get and idea of whether or not you have predominately pattern A or pattern B by looking at your ratios between all your lipid results.
 
DJ... said:
Hence why I created a thread for it and cited all sources, which in turn are cited with actual research. Ordinarily I'd side with your opinion on this as it is sound, but knowing you, this is simply another of your trolling escapades, or a reason to have a dig at me.

You're welcome to refute if you like?
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No, I actually agree with your information. I've read gary taubs and he presents a convincing case, I just don't think advising people to ignore their doctors (or tell them to fck off, as you so eloquently put it) in favour of advice given on myBB is very responsible.
 
Arthur said:
DJ, what about bacon with egg? I'm just not into the detailed biochemistry, but am of the belief that bacon is perfectly fine.

The reason I ask is that the article Seriously posted says "Research has shown that we usually have our eggs alongside foods high in saturated fat, such as bacon, sausage and buttered toast. This meal pattern raises LDL levels and makes the effect of eating eggs worse than it actually is."

Leaving aside the linguistic point that the last clause is a semantic non sequitur, I get what he is trying to say: Bacon makes things worse.

Several times a week I typically have a two- or three-egg omelette, usually with a little cheese before folding over. And 4-5 rashers of streaky bacon, fried without any oils or butter.

My metaphorical gut tells me this can't be dietary evil.
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Ha, I posted about this shortly after this thread. Here is is http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=596983
 
When your egg farts can clear rooms, you are eating too much eggs.
 
joelus, your basic point is of course valid, and I don't think DJ would disagree that in general one should go with the experts.

The problem, though, is that quite often even the credentialed experts have faulty or even false knowledge, or not all the facts.

So one must be discerning and prudent.

In this particular matter of eggs, many ordinary doctors don't know what they're talking about simply because they haven't studied it in depth, and they've imbibed the same errors as the general populace.

DJ isn't making a case for ignoring doctors wholesale on everything. But we do need to be careful, and use a pinch of salt with discernment.

Talking of salt ...
 
DJ... said:
Back in the 50s when the US government got together to form a committee to regulate health on behalf of Americans, they used eggs as the bad guy to show the harm of saturated fats. At the time there was considerable evidence that this was nonsense but there were a few vested interests in the group who shut them up. This committee were the ones who released the false lipid hypothesis, even against all true evidence, and the myth was born. As was the largest con, and most dangerous medical scam ever perpetuated.

Government funding in this field went straight to support of the lipid hypothesis and not unbiased research, as it should have. And eggs took a really bad rap in the process.

Or at least that's how the story goes. There are some references to this in the documentary called Fat Head, just after the halfway mark of the film...
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Apparently this had something to do with marketing - its easier to make a Low Fat, high carb product than a low carb, high fat product. Easier to sell.
 
Fortunately we still have some liberty to decide these issues for ourselves according to our own lights. Current trends in State policy put that liberty at risk, and we're already seeing the first interventions by Our Great Political Overlords. Salt laws in New York. Sweetener Laws in California. Sugar taxes pondered in SA ... all in the name of Public Health and the Common Good. Some ignorant doctors might well unwittingly perpetuate dietary myths, but the constant day-in day-out erosion of our liberties and expropriation of our labour threatens social health more vitally than faulty biochemistry. (Had to get in a political angle. ;))

Relish eggs and bacon - and our ever-shrinking liberties - while we still have them.
 
Ancalagon said:
Apparently this had something to do with marketing - its easier to make a Low Fat, high carb product than a low carb, high fat product. Easier to sell.
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Less about easier and more about more profitable.
At the risk of pulling some figures out of my arse. You could spend say R20 per kilogram of X (X being high fat biological product) and sell it for R40. So a 100% markup. Not bad really.
On the other hand you can spend perhaps R0.25 per kilogram of Y (Y being a breakfast cereal or something similar, high carb low fat). Then sell that for R40 per kilogram. Your markup being a staggering 16 000%.

Now I will admit that those figures are made up, but the essence is held within the thumb suck. Markups are orders of magnitude greater with HCLF refined products compared to biological HFLC products.
Kind of ironic that a comity of fat cats, made a decision that resulted in the general increase in weight of the western population.
 
eat about a dozen a week, not a problem
 
Mod_note: Consider those deleted O/T and/or troll posts as a friendly warning to knock it off.
 
genetic said:
I love eggs - especially boiled eggs. I probably consume around 5 - 7 a week, sometimes less.

I know eggs are known as one of the super foods, but they are also high in cholesterol. I've read that one boiled egg can contain as much as +/− 60% of your RDA of cholesterol intake.

Are they of the good cholesterol type, and should I limit my intake of boiled eggs?
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I've been eating eggs almost every single day for about the last year (about 2-3 eggs a day) and my cholesterol is still in the normal healthy range and my doctor is happy with my health in general. I come from a family with a history of cholesterol problems too.
 
joelus said:
I've been eating eggs almost every single day for about the last year (about 2-3 eggs a day) and my cholesterol is still in the normal healthy range and my doctor is happy with my health in general. I come from a family with a history of cholesterol problems too.
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I posted a thread about this earlier, and I urge you to head there, read the links, watch the videos, and learn a little more about cholesterol. These sorts of markers are awful as references for health. Don't take my word for it though. Follow the links. We can discuss it in the appropriate thread if you'd like to address the science. I just urge you to do so before attempting to rebut it, or attempting to derail it into a discussion about advice from the internet...
 
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