Electricity up another 25.8% from Friday

joelus said:
I think it's disingenuous to blame the ANC here. The government is fulfilling it's promise to expand and improve on electricity supply, it costs money, anywhere in the world.
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I think a lot of the criticism comes from the utter bungling of the capacity demand situation the ANC has made since the 90s.

joelus said:
Finally...
http://shutupwhitey.blogspot.com/2011/03/oh-stop-fcking-whinging-about-ther-cost.html
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Linking to articles like this discredits all the other good points you might make. Don't give a soapbox to an idiot.
 
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icyrus said:
I think a lot of the criticism comes from the utter bungling of the capacity demand situation the ANC has made since the 90s.



Linking to articles like this discredits all the other good points you might make. Don't give a soapbox to an idiot.
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He is funny, makes me laugh...
 
Mila said:
We are not paying nearly the same as finland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_pricing

We were paying the same as peru
and in two years time be paying as much as Lativa. in the baltic region of russia.
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The wikipedia table you linked to is deceptive because of the time periods involved.
For example SA is 2008–2009, while Peru is 2006–2007 and Latvia is 2011.

Also, remember, while prices in SA are increasing, prices in Peru and Latvia are also increasing.
So in 2 years time we will be paying as much as latvia is now - latvia will be paying more...

(http://bnn-news.com/2011/02/28/social/regulator-electricity-prices-rising, http://www.livinginperu.com/blogs/business/1929)
 
icyrus said:
Perhaps but there is no point linking to it as valid opinion.
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No he wanted to tell me that he thinks i'm a stupid whitey that should shut up. It is a point and his opinion.

My taxes just like all the black people in this country is being stolen, and as a taxpayer they are ass raped just like me.

Rooster did crime increase or decrease since 1994?
 
boramk said:
SA is $10800
Brazil is $11000
Peru is $9600

How does that not work?
And why are you looking at the nominal per capita rate? You should be looking at the purchasing power parity one. The nominal is subject to exchange rate fluctuations
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Sorry we were busy. :o

Oke thanx! I'll do that.
( learning stuff here)

Another question: Peru does mine their own coal. Do they keep it or like us export the good stuff?
 
http://www.livinginperu.com/blogs/business/1929

Cheves, located between the provinces of Huaura and Oyon in Lima, is a hydroelectric project that is currently at the construction phase
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So we are talking hydroelectic power.

Do you believe this has to do more with politics than with technical issues?It is likely. Though the regulator is just doing its job and applying the regulations. However, we believe that the objective of the methodology is to maintain low rates in order to avoid panic within in the population and also to keep the competitive spirit. To increase the rate, also implies to increase the production cost for industries
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Conversely, is there any real danger of power cuts?(Smiles) Well, here’s how I see it. The government has taken measures that have had positive effects which are obviously advertised. It is true that there is a greater power supply (mostly from thermal plants), it is also true that at least two hydroelectrical power stations have been started — Cheves and Quitaracsa — and it is also true that contracts have been assured for electrical companies for at least fifteen to twenty years. All of these are positive reasons.

However...However, these measures have not been articulated, because all of the new power supply comes from thermal plants and the projects that are being finalized do not have an ensured supply of gas. Therefore, this supply is not real. It does not work. Likewise with the transmission lines, the bid on this was rushed, however, they are still not available and there is no capacity to allocate the energy to the northern and southern consumption spots. That is why a bidding process has been opened for cold reserve plants. Therefore, we are confronting the risk that there will be rationing or that the real cost of power will increases. We can somehow hide this reality with decrees and whatever, but it is not sustainable.
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So they do not have a problem with power cuts, do have gas and decided to invest in hydroelectrical power and decided to nuclear?
Nothing said about coal though.

http://bnn-news.com/2011/02/28/social/regulator-electricity-prices-rising
I cannot predict the price of electricity in the future, but one of the Regulator’s tasks is to ensure that the price growth would not be too rapid[/B
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So will not be increasing it by 100% in 3 years and expect people's pay to keep up?
 
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Mila said:
So they do not have a problem with power cuts, do have gas and decided to invest in hydroelectrical power and decided to nuclear?
Nothing said about coal though.

http://bnn-news.com/2011/02/28/social/regulator-electricity-prices-rising

So will not be increasing it by 100% in 3 years and expect people's pay to keep up?
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They also didn't find themselves in 1994 with a country where more than half the population had no electricity in their homes - the context is different - SA has had to play a lot of catch-up with regards to infrastructure and power generation.

These increases are a shock to the average citizen because we have always had super cheap electricity (those of us that had electricity)

This is relevant:
South Africa has benefited from an abundant and cheap supply of electricity since the founding of the monopoly public utility, the Electricity Supply Commission, or Eskom, in 1928. The act establishing the monopoly mandated that electricity be sold at cost. Artificially low labor costs under apartheid, combined with South Africa’s large reserves of coal, enabled Eskom in effect to subsidize industrial development and to become a surplus producer, ultimately exporting electricity to neighboring countries. The low cost of South Africa’s electricity has deterred foreign power companies from entering the market. As a result, Eskom supplies 95% of the country’s power. The African National Congress governments since 1994 have expanded service to rural areas and townships and successfully pursued policies to increase GDP growth.
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Oh so it's apartheids fault. Great that was predictable

South Africa has benefited from an abundant and cheap supply of electricity since the founding of the monopoly public utility, the Electricity Supply Commission, or Eskom, in 1928. The act establishing the monopoly mandated that electricity be sold at cost. Artificially low labor costs under apartheid, combined with South Africa’s large reserves of coal, enabled Eskom in effect to subsidize industrial development and to become a surplus producer, ultimately exporting electricity to neighboring countries. The low cost of South Africa’s electricity has deterred foreign power companies from entering the market. As a result, Eskom supplies 95% of the country’s power. The African National Congress governments since 1994 have expanded service to rural areas and townships and successfully pursued policies to increase GDP growth.
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Yes I agree. This is important. THe ANC has done F All in 17 years.
Eskom is not servicing the area's they previously did not. They are giving it away. If electrisity is a human right its my right to get it free just like my equal in a squattercamp.

Raping the whole paying country in 3 years will not make up for not listening for 17 years. This is not new. We did not suddenly grow. They knew when they started promising things for free that this would happen or do they just not plan?
 
Mila said:
Oh so it's apartheids fault. Great that was predictable



Yes I agree. This is important. THe ANC has done F All in 17 years.
Eskom is not servicing the area's they previously did not. They are giving it away. If electrisity is a human right its my right to get it free just like my equal in a squattercamp.

Raping the whole paying country in 3 years will not make up for not listening for 17 years. This is not new. We did not suddenly grow. They knew when they started promising things for free that this would happen or do they just not plan?
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Aaah, denying the legacy of apartheid. Great that was predictable.

Actually the Government in 17 years increased the percentage of people with electricity from 30% to 80%. That may be F All to you but to the people getting electrixcity for the first time it's not F All. Eskom is servicing area's they previously did not. Many rural areas and townships. That's the point.
"Separating the administration of black urban areas from white cities often meant that the black areas were left without electricity services."
Eskom initially took no positive action to broaden access to electricity and it did not challenge racial policies that prevented investment in and development of townships.
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http://www.justice.gov.za/trc/media/1997/9711/s971111j.htm

If the ANC had increased prices over 17 years our prices would be as high if not higher than they are now.

What do you mean we did not suddenly grow?
According to the mid-2010 estimates from Statistics South Africa, the country's population stands at 49.9-million, up from the census 2001 count of 44.8-million.
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http://www.southafrica.info/about/people/population.htm

Point is that the electricity infrastructure has grown and whether they build it over 17 years or 3 it costs money. Honestly, the amount of electricity given away free is so tiny it's irrelevant. And by the way, it your right to get it free just like your equal in a squattercamp. If you use less than a certain amount a month you get a bit free, that applies to every person living in this country whether it's in a squatter camp or a mansion.
 
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w1z4rd said:
Fk I LOL`d! haha! :D

Yeah, you seem to be way too witty to be right wing :D
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LOL!

So in your opinion racist right wingers cannot be witty?

As an Afrikaans racist extreme right winger i can assure you that you are wrong.
 
joelus said:
Aaah, denying the legacy of apartheid. Great that was predictable.

Actually the Government in 17 years increased the percentage of people with electricity from 30% to 80%. That may be F All to you but to the people getting electrixcity for the first time it's not F All. Eskom is servicing area's they previously did not. Many rural areas and townships. That's the point.

http://www.justice.gov.za/trc/media/1997/9711/s971111j.htm

If the ANC had increased prices over 17 years our prices would be as high if not higher than they are now.

What do you mean we did not suddenly grow?
http://www.southafrica.info/about/people/population.htm

Point is that the electricity infrastructure has grown and whether they build it over 17 years or 3 it costs money. Honestly, the amount of electricity given away free is so tiny it's irrelevant. And by the way, it your right to get it free just like your equal in a squattercamp. If you use less than a certain amount a month you get a bit free, that applies to every person living in this country whether it's in a squatter camp or a mansion.
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I think it is a wonderfull idea to electrify every single home or shack in the country.

Can those that got their shacks electrified now start paying for the electricity they consume, like the rest of us?
 
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