Electronic communications bill

it does not seem to be available to the public yet, at least not in electronic form
 
dominic I really need to read the part about communities being allowed
to legally send data across the street after registering with Icasa.
You posted something about this a few days ago. This would open the floodgates for
communities to run fiber from rooftop to rooftop. Or have I got the whole thing
wrong?
 
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captainwifi said:
dominic I really need to read the part about communities being allowed
to legally send data across the street after registering with Icasa.
You posted something about this a few days ago. This would open the floodgates for
communities to run fiber from rooftop to rooftop. Or have I got the whole thing
wrong?
we will need to wait to see the final version - there will be scope for exeptions for non-profit activities but i cannot imagine it will explicitly legalise mesh networks
 
http://www.namespace.org.za/ectindex.html is the only place
I could find the ECT bill. It deals with regulating Internet dataflow, spamming
.co.za registration, data fraud, phising scams etc.

It does not mention data crossing roads and makes zero mention of CCTV and public/council cooperative networks. Que incidence streaming CCTV data over what is essentially their very own private telephone exchange[no Vans license] can't just have this 'right' so to speak absolved by a wave of the pen. It seems that no matter what the law
says if you use CCTV as a ruse or excuse to run fiber from roof to roof, nobody will do anything about it. The ECB is not even close to the draconian Act.96 and just look how
everybody is ignoring it.

The usual constitutional safeguards are in the ECB. A cyber investigator must obtain a court order to kick down your door. Self-regulation of such a community network should keep
Icasa happy.
scope for exeptions for non-profit activities but i cannot
imagine it will explicitly legalise mesh networks

Ofcourse non-profit activities should be addressed in the bill. At the moment Que incidence is spending millions of rands in a complete regulatory void. Either their networks must be legalized or shutdown. The situation at present is unbearable.

Lets just explore the CCTV issue further. The phrase explicitly legalize mesh networks. The issue is not the tranmission medium mesh networks,fiber, Dslam or smoke signals but data crossing boundaries.

So what you mean are that there are two types of data - Internet,commercial,Voip and public safety/CCTV/Non-commercial data
The commercial data crossing boundaries won't be legalised but the CCTV data will.
Now how on earth does anybody expect this demarcation to be enforced? It's like trying to make a law that says communities can send video over their joint fiber link but not voice.
 
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it is a completely different thing - that ectbill is the electronic communications and transactions bill which became the electronic communications and transactions act in 2002

the electronic communications bill currently before parliament is the new name for the convergence bill - when passed it will replave the telecommunications act and the indepedent broadcasting authority act + the broadcasting act 1999
 
dominic said:
it is a completely different thing - that ectbill is the electronic communications and transactions bill which became the electronic communications and transactions act in 2002
the electronic communications bill currently before parliament is the new name for the convergence bill - when passed it will replave the telecommunications act and the indepedent broadcasting authority act + the broadcasting act 1999

Ok, fine the issue I am trying to adress here is the legislative demarcation between commercial/non-commercial data crossing the street. Is my interpretation of your reading of the relevent act as I have posted correct? [Lets just adress my reasoning and leave aside exactly which specific act would cover it, that is an entirely seperate issue.;) ]
 
Mashila Matlala 012 427-8081 is the contact person that will provide us
with the ECB. I will try and get hold of her during the week.
 
good luck - i am trying to get it from the portfolio committee without much joy

captain i don't want to comment on your question until the bill / act is out
 
hi man
i like your idea !
i also raised the question about 2 years ago for the Orania people. You know, the small town in Northen Cape, whose doing their own thing, paved their own roads, own municupality, own water, etc...
Wireless or Fibre, either way, they will set an example for the rest of SA and Africa.
www.orania.co.za
Cheers

The above comment I received in my PM mailbox. I don't know what the legal status of Orania is. I do know there was an attempt to incorporate them with a town 50km from them, which was defeated in the High Court.
So basically what you have in Orania is what a closed/open village? dominic
your comments on this will be most welcome.

Have they strung fiber from rooftop to rooftop? On their webpage they list Telkom lines.
If I understand the poster correct they are actually going to implement what we have
been discussing: Cut through roads and lay Fiber.
Question to PM poster: Will you partner with a Vans license holder or not?
 
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found the following message on www.sabinet.co.za
it says "SabinetLaw - Latest news from Parliament

Convergence Bill renamed as the Electronic Communications Bill

Communications committee

3.11.05
Redrafted Bill goes before National Assembly
The recently re-drafted Convergence Bill, now known as the Electronic Communications Bill B9B-2005, has now been published just in time to go before the National Assembly for voting, together with its tandem Bill, the ICASA Amendment Bill.

The Electronic Communications Bill is now available on Sabinet and has been separated into seven packages for easier electronic transmission.

Hof "

Anybody have access to sabinet?
 
ic said:
Unfortunately not I, and I really don't see why I should have to pay a 3rd party company oodles of dosh to get access to information from guavamint - I pay taxes for that purpose...:mad:
100% right and afaik there are steps being taken to address this issue...

i have a print version of the portfolio committee amended version referred to above - should have a scan in about 10 days and will put up
 
Hi I am new to the forum but I know a little bit about the legalities of wireless.

What is it you guys are actually trying to find out?

regards
David
 
hi savagedavid - we're trying to get a look at the electronic communications bill (was convergence bill), and the new icasa bill.
 
savagedavid said:
Hi I am new to the forum but I know a little bit about the legalities of wireless.
Oh, wonderful. Here is question. Holiday Inn has boldly installed
www.zyxel.com Vdsl Dslam's and modems in their hotels via the help of www.communivers.co.za. When do you expect a raid from Icasa as they
hunt down these Vdsl Dslam's ? Naughty, naughty Holiday Inn - don't you know that all telecoms equipment must first be approved by Icasa? Why, I mean if everybody is just going to ignore Telkom's instructions to Icasa ...... :D
 
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