[ernstn's questions]

[ernstn]

Questions about purpose of myadsl, deemed to be irrelevant by MOD in another thread

I think you got the wrong end of the toilet seat .

My point was that the salesperson selling access to the Internet via a modem, is not responsible for the computer and operating system running on your computer - unless the very same salesperson also sold you your computer and operating system, which as far as we know is not the case for Bruce000's friend.

It would be nice if Bruce000's friend could drop in and post some more detailed info and what has happened since post #1 in this thread...

One of the benefits of MyBroadband.co.za is that we can and do help each other with malware and many other problems - lots of advice has been posted in this thread which can be implemented by Bruce000's friend.

IC, as far as I know, mybroadband has amongst the aims of its founding, the following points on the agenda:

a) free local traffic
b) uncapped traffic
c) no line rental.
d) cheaper costs
e) service agreements

Could you please tell me why this should be applicable only to Telkom, but not Vodacom,MTN and any others?

 

[ic]

Moderator note: ernstn's post moved out of another unrelated thread

Could you please tell me why this should be applicable only to Telkom, but not Vodacom,MTN and any others?

I don't think all of these things apply only to Telkodemonopolies, but I can count on one finger the number of wired fixed line network operators in SA - that would be Telkodemonopolies - the de facto wired fixed line monopoly network operator, compared to the 5+ fingers counting wireless network operators in SA [Vodacom, MTN, CellC, iBurst, Sentech, MWeb-WiMax-unlicensed, ...].

a) free local traffic
b) uncapped traffic
c) no line rental.
d) cheaper costs
e) service agreements

To understand [a], you need to realise that this site started out as MyADSL.co.za in 2003, and that MyBroadband.co.za was only introduced much later, at the time when MyADSL.co.za was established, it is my understanding that local ADSL was actually free, however Telkodemonopolies put an end to that on 2005-11-01, so it would be incorrect to say that MyADSL.co.za was formed to obtain free local [ADSL] traffic - simply bcos local [ADSL] traffic was already free in 2003.

I don't see a problem with , but remember that [local] backhaul links cost money, so if one has one's heart set on having both [a] and then I suggest volunteering free labour to dig up the streets & lay the fibre for MTN & Vodacom, et al.

The answer to [c] is quick & easy: Telkodemonopolies is the only company that has lines and also the only company that charges a rental fee for those lines - in context we are talking about ADSL lines where there are actually 2 line rental fees charged by Telkodemonopolies every month versus the zero monthly line rental fees charged by wireless network operators...

[d] & [e] apply to anything that consumers have an interest in.

 

[ernstn]

IC, I do not see why this post had to be moved. It was in a thread of somebody being charged R10000 by Vodacom for 5 mbytes of data. Together with my other posts and your posts in that thread, it made perfect sense to ask that question.

As mod, all you did in that specific thread was to defend Vodacom. Not once did you even remotely look as if you were considering that R10000 for 5 gbyte of data was over the top(that is R2000 per gigabyte), regardless of whether the guy left his PC on for 3 days or not. All you could do was find fault with the guy, and suggested that this forum could help educating him.


Now, from the day I joined myAdsl, R2000 per gigabyte is a major killing. Considering that Vodacom ten to one purchases bandwidth from Telkom, that is one hell of an overkill on R49 per gigabyte. Also Vodacom goes out of their way with their data contracts to ensure that it will be extremely difficult for you to come close to what you have paid for. Somebody mentioned a lag of 3 hours for stats to be updated. In the end I am either going to underspend on my bundle or overspend on it because of no monthly overrunning. Even you yourself mentioned in a posting in the thread that Vodacom's billing system is not perfect, I quote:

"Enable Call Limit on that contract, it isn't foolproof, but it should suspend data transfer and outgoing calls etc before the bill reaches R10k."

but you did not question any of Vodacom's tactics, but carried on defending them to the hilt and carried on as if the individual was at fault but not Vodacom

You can split hairs on what myadsl's reason for existance is and what I wrote, but I do think that from day 1(and I am one of the starting members) it has been to provide cheaper and improved datacomms for us. I would like to believe that the Sentech and other telecomms forums were added with the same purpose in mind. Because Telkom introduced a faulty model does not necessarily mean that everybody else should abuse a faulty model.

My new Vodacom contrract phone gets lumbered with vodafone live branding and all itt wants to do is access the internet. It does not warn me that it might cost me R2000 per gigabyte of data. If they could brand the phone with software like that they could also sort out educating the public.

 

[ic]

IC, I do not see why this post had to be moved. It was in a thread of somebody being charged R10000 by Vodacom for 5 mbytes of data. Together with my other posts and your posts in that thread, it made perfect sense to ask that question.

As mod, all you did in that specific thread was to defend Vodacom. Not once did you even remotely look as if you were considering that R10000 for 5 gbyte of data was over the top(that is R2000 per gigabyte), regardless of whether the guy left his PC on for 3 days or not. All you could do was find fault with the guy, and suggested that this forum could help educating him.


Now, from the day I joined myAdsl, R2000 per gigabyte is a major killing. Considering that Vodacom ten to one purchases bandwidth from Telkom, that is one hell of an overkill on R49 per gigabyte. Also Vodacom goes out of their way with their data contracts to ensure that it will be extremely difficult for you to come close to what you have paid for. Somebody mentioned a lag of 3 hours for stats to be updated. In the end I am either going to underspend on my bundle or overspend on it because of no monthly overrunning. Even you yourself mentioned in a posting in the thread that Vodacom's billing system is not perfect, I quote:

"Enable Call Limit on that contract, it isn't foolproof, but it should suspend data transfer and outgoing calls etc before the bill reaches R10k."

but you did not question any of Vodacom's tactics, but carried on defending them to the hilt and carried on as if the individual was at fault but not Vodacom

You can split hairs on what myadsl's reason for existance is and what I wrote, but I do think that from day 1(and I am one of the starting members) it has been to provide cheaper and improved datacomms for us. I would like to believe that the Sentech and other telecomms forums were added with the same purpose in mind. Because Telkom introduced a faulty model does not necessarily mean that everybody else should abuse a faulty model.

My new Vodacom contrract phone gets lumbered with vodafone live branding and all itt wants to do is access the internet. It does not warn me that it might cost me R2000 per gigabyte of data. If they could brand the phone with software like that they could also sort out educating the public.

The reason why I moved your post is even more clear with your previous post - if you have a personal issue with me, then send me a private message and we can discuss your personal opinion of myself.

If you want to discuss something that I have posted, then use the quote button and express your opinion whilst taking into account the context of my post(s), it is a discussion that is not about me, don't make it personal.

 

[ernstn]

I have nothing personal with you. The whole discussion refers.

 

[Omac]

IC - It seems to me that you're moving the goalposts.

In order to defend VC, you're moving the discussion to being one about yourself because that is far easier for you to take private & and accuse some one of making it personal.

This did seem a rather extreme measure!

If you do have a bias, it's not a problem. Just state it and then we all know where we stand.

 

[ernstn]

Never mind moving it out of the thread, he gave the new thread a title that very few people will look at!

 

[ic]

IC - It seems to me that you're moving the goalposts.

In order to defend VC, you're moving the discussion to being one about yourself because that is far easier for you to take private & and accuse some one of making it personal.

This did seem a rather extreme measure!

If you do have a bias, it's not a problem. Just state it and then we all know where we stand.

Have you actually read what ernstn posted? - neither yourself nor ernstn are prepared to actually use the quote button and substantiate your accusations.

Do yourself a favour and read all of my posts in the other thread, then use the quote button if you want to discuss what myself or anyone else posted.

 

[Yotch]

ic is the moderator - this means that he gets to decide whether or not to move a thread. Just remember that he does provide a lot of FREE assistance to thousands of people.

On this forum everybody is entitled to their own opinion. You aren't going to be able to change this. He didn't remove your post. In fact by moving it he has now drawn attention to it! On this forum success can always be measured by the number of page views and so far this thread is doing really well. There is never going to be consensus on any issue over here. Just look at the Suffer the children thread.

I agree with you completely on the point regarding overcharging for data but unfortunately there isn't much that the public can do about it. The regulator is supposed to step in at times like this ...

If you want to hear about even worse experiences then read these stories.
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communications/0,1000000085,39234731,00.htm

A 6000 Pound bill!
http://www.zdnet.co.uk/talkback/0,1000001161,39234846-39001101c-20083921o,00.htm

It's hard to believe that this kind of thing is allowed!
Anyway keep posting! Lots of people will read what you have to say and either agree or disagree with it.

 

[Omac]

Have you actually read what ernstn posted? - neither yourself nor ernstn are prepared to actually use the quote button and substantiate your accusations.

Do yourself a favour and read all of my posts in the other thread, then use the quote button if you want to discuss what myself or anyone else posted.

My concern is not what was posted in another thread. My concern is your apparent bias. You being a mod and all, have it in your power to effect discussions and debates. Your bias must be public in the interests of transparency and not taken private as you wish!

My concern that you are biased in favour of VC or Vodacom3g just grew a little stronger with your reply.

I say again - this was and extreme measure.

 

[Voldemort]

You dudes, are being pretty harsh upon IC, when he makes a poste a i read and respect what he has to say, pity y'all dont do too much o that

 

[ic]

Have you actually read what ernstn posted? - neither yourself nor ernstn are prepared to actually use the quote button and substantiate your accusations.

Do yourself a favour and read all of my posts in the other thread, then use the quote button if you want to discuss what myself or anyone else posted.

My concern is not what was posted in another thread. My concern is your apparent bias. You being a mod and all, have it in your power to effect discussions and debates. Your bias must be public in the interests of transparency and not taken private as you wish!

My concern that you are biased in favour of VC or Vodacom3g just grew a little stronger with your reply.

I say again - this was and extreme measure.

It is true that I do have the power to affect discussions, but I did not delete ernstn's post - I could have deleted it, however there was no reason to do so, and there still is no reason to delete ernstn's post. The reason I moved ernstn's post into a new thread is quite simply that ernstn's post was several questions directed specifically at myself and that had nothing to do with the thread the post appeared in, I also replied to those questions in this new thread as replying in the other thread would have taken that thread far away from its intended topic.

If you take the time to search through my posts in this forum, you will find that quite a few of them are quite critical of Vodacom and Vodacom's systems, however I do attempt to post constructive criticism - the evidence is there if you take the time to look for it.

One other point, and you can obviously disagree or agree, this particular forum hardly ever needs moderation in terms of editing or deleting posts - mostly bcos the discussions tend to be constructive, but I also believe in open discussions - there are lots of posts that I could edit &| delete if I was biased towards Vodacom.

As I've already requested, use the quote button to discuss any of my posts where you feel I am biased towards Vodacom, and I will gladly explain my point of view and why I posted whatever you disagree with.

 

[Omac]

IC - I don't have the time or inclination to go and seek all your posts where I feel you have exhibited bias. It's the impression created as a whole rather than any individual post.

I'll just remind you that "bias" is not a swear word. We all have them.

 

[ic]

IC - I don't have the time or inclination to go and seek all your posts where I feel you have exhibited bias. It's the impression created as a whole rather than any individual post.

I'll just remind you that "bias" is not a swear word. We all have them.

It is always easy to drop in with an accusation against someone and then refuse to provide any proof to substantiate such an accusation, and yes we all happen to be human and have personal opinions which do make us biased beings, but I am asking for some common decency here - if you're going to accuse me of being biased towards Vodacom then substantiate your claims by using the quote button & preserving the post link which the forum generates when using the quote button, who knows maybe some of my posts are ambiguous and you have assumed that I meant something other than I intended.

 

[Csnoopy]

Why attack @ic? He manages the Forum's pretty well. Thanks for that. If he is pro Vodacom so what.

 

[AirWolf]

IC - I don't have the time or inclination to go and seek all your posts where I feel you have exhibited bias. It's the impression created as a whole rather than any individual post.

I'll just remind you that "bias" is not a swear word. We all have them.

Basically you don't have a leg to stand on

I have been a member of this forum for almost a year. I did get off to a rocky start with ic, but above all that I have found ic's posts to be very informative and balanced

If you feel otherwise, it is your duty to prove it, not ic's duty to prove his innocence.

 

[Omac]

It is always easy to drop in with an accusation against someone and then refuse to provide any proof to substantiate such an accusation, and yes we all happen to be human and have personal opinions which do make us biased beings, but I am asking for some common decency here - if you're going to accuse me of being biased towards Vodacom then substantiate your claims by using the quote button & preserving the post link which the forum generates when using the quote button, who knows maybe some of my posts are ambiguous and you have assumed that I meant something other than I intended.

I light of the fact that I do not have the time or inclination to seek out all your post as you suggest (even after I have said "It's the impression created as a whole rather than any individual post."), I withdraw my comments and apologize if you felt slighted in any way.

 

[ic]

I light of the fact that I do not have the time or inclination to seek out all your post as you suggest (even after I have said "It's the impression created as a whole rather than any individual post."), I withdraw my comments and apologize if you felt slighted in any way.

Apology accepted, I accept that I am not perfect, but I do try to be objective - with the obvious exception of Telkodemonopolies and the DoC and !CASA which I feel very strongly have messed up telecoms in SA and left us with a malfunctioning market which will take some time to normalise.

On the subjects of Vodacom and MTN, I have opinions about the data rates and OOBR etc, which I believe are grounded in reality - there is a shortage of local bandwidth in SA, and all wired fixed lines currently still lead to Telkodemonopolies, as well as all SAT-3 traffic in & out of Melkbosstrand is still controlled by Telkodemonopolies, which results in abnormally high pricing. If you go back about 2 years to 2005, you will find that I have been bugging Vodacom about its reluctance to self-provision its own fibre - others have as well, and it seems Vodacom has finally decided to abandon Telkodemonopolies for backhaul links and lay its own fibre - things are starting to improve, it will just take a lot of time.

 

[Csnoopy]

Well done guys. As @ic said, let's always try and stay object. If you aren't sure of what a person means then ask or say it publicly because we all probably would like to know. I have landed in similiar situations and actually went and deleted the post/posts in question. Let's keep the ball rolling and together we will change the systems.