Eskom increase

do you know that we are a major source of Aluminium in the world.
Were most of it cost to manufacture is in the energy required to make it.
 
Got to laugh at some of you on this thread, b!tching and moaning about how unfair it is that you will get a 31% increase because you are rich and the poor only get a 17% increase.
There is a big difference between you and them isn't there? I believe it's called income. Your income is far bigger then theirs. While a 31% increase is steep, I doubt it will be changing your lifestyles much. Whilst an increase of even 17% on the poor will mean a big difference to theirs. A lot of the poor are just managing to survive, now they will have to buy less food to insure they have electricity. You guys are always b!tching about how the poor have a sense of entitlement, what a bunch of hypocrites. You have the biggest sense of entitlement. You expect the poor to pay the same as you just because you are rich. I have little sympathy for the BMW, Merc, Audi driving, Mansion owning, Gold wearing members of society, Sorry. My sympathies lye with those that will now have to eat less because of these hikes in price.
 
I don't even own a car but I'm still classed by them as 'rich' so yes, fscking excuse me if I bitch about having to pay 31% more for something ......
 
Mephisto_Helix said:
I don't even own a car but I'm still classed by them as 'rich' so yes, fscking excuse me if I bitch about having to pay 31% more for something ......
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I'm also b!tching about the increase, but not b!tching how it's unfair on me because I'm rich and they are poor. I don't want to pay 31% more anymore then anyone else. But I do know that my income is more then those that are poor, so I don't expect them to pay what I can pay. I know someone that has an income of just R2000 a month to feed, clothe and provide for his family. I know fora fact that he will feel a 17% increase more then I will feel a 31% increase, My income is bigger. I can guarantee that to him it is a disaster, to me it is a nuisance.
 
Was there a final decision made after the NERSA hearings about the percentage increase for 2010 and the next three years?
 
Ronjay said:
Got to laugh at some of you on this thread, b!tching and moaning about how unfair it is that you will get a 31% increase because you are rich and the poor only get a 17% increase.
There is a big difference between you and them isn't there? I believe it's called income. Your income is far bigger then theirs. While a 31% increase is steep, I doubt it will be changing your lifestyles much. Whilst an increase of even 17% on the poor will mean a big difference to theirs. A lot of the poor are just managing to survive, now they will have to buy less food to insure they have electricity. You guys are always b!tching about how the poor have a sense of entitlement, what a bunch of hypocrites. You have the biggest sense of entitlement. You expect the poor to pay the same as you just because you are rich. I have little sympathy for the BMW, Merc, Audi driving, Mansion owning, Gold wearing members of society, Sorry. My sympathies lye with those that will now have to eat less because of these hikes in price.
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This is unfair dude! This 30% increase now is only the start, apparently the same thing will be happening over the next few years. I read somewhere recently someone had worked out that if your average household today is payong roughly R800pm for tricity then in three years time you'll be paying around R3500 for the same consumption! That's pretty hectic eh? Yes sure give the poor a major discount (what else can they do) but then they should at least go out and stop the free tapping of electricity in the townships, that to me is just freakin rude. Escom and the governemnt know where all these spots are and who is doing it yet they just do nothing about the illegal connections. Not cool!
 
Happy Camper said:
This is unfair dude! This 30% increase now is only the start, apparently the same thing will be happening over the next few years. I read somewhere recently someone had worked out that if your average household today is payong roughly R800pm for tricity then in three years time you'll be paying around R3500 for the same consumption! That's pretty hectic eh? Yes sure give the poor a major discount (what else can they do) but then they should at least go out and stop the free tapping of electricity in the townships, that to me is just freakin rude. Escom and the governemnt know where all these spots are and who is doing it yet they just do nothing about the illegal connections. Not cool!
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I agree with that 100%. This is probably why we are in a big mess in the first place. That and the flat out refusal to pay by some. I've heard of some people owing R6000 and more on their accounts. All I'm saying is that we can't expect the poorest of the poor to pay as much as those that are better off. I'm not a rich man (not by a long shot) but I'm not bad off either. I will be paying 31% just like most on this forum but lets not start pointing fingers at the poor like 2 year olds going nah-nah-nah. We should be pointing fingers at government instead, this is the real cause of the problem. Bad governance and bad management from eskom is what has brought us to this. What the people should do, instead of b!tching and moaning and then sitting back and doing nothing, is protest. But they won't because they don't like to be inconvenienced. people are quick to moan but not to do anything about it.
 
It's the poor doing all the illegal connections so I think we may point fingers. And they will STILL keep doing it no matter the huge discount they get.
 
Mephisto_Helix said:
It's the poor doing all the illegal connections so I think we may point fingers. And they will STILL keep doing it no matter the huge discount they get.
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Not all the poor are doing it. Um, and last I heard they are not getting a discount, their cost is increasing by 17%. There is a problem with illegal connections but also a problem with default payments. That is not exclusively the poor to blame for this. Again, pointing fingers at the poor is not going to get the government and Eskom to change their minds, but protest action from the whole country might. The problem here is that SA citizens pay hefty taxes, pay hefty rates, VAT, Now hefty charges on amenities, we just pay, pay, pay, pay, pay. If we started to make a stand as one nation against this, then it would not happen. But the moment a bad thing happens, we tend to start blaming everything except the real reason, a corrupt, incompetent and woefully inept government that isn't fit to govern my big toe, never mind the country.
 
Really it does not matter, if the electricity prices go up, so will the food go up. The poor will have to pay more. The VAT remains at
14%, so the Goverment will make more Profit.In Germany VAT is 19% but food is 7% VAT. So very few items are except from VAT.
Even using candles will change nothing, people have to eat.
 
Arko2 said:
Really it does not matter, if the electricity prices go up, so will the food go up. The poor will have to pay more. The VAT remains at
14%, so the Goverment will make more Profit.In Germany VAT is 19% but food is 7% VAT. So very few items are except from VAT.
Even using candles will change nothing, people have to eat.
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Yip. Agreed, again it just shows the incompetence and stupidity of the government.
 
Not sure if this fits in this thread, but I'll add it anyway.

I run a leasing business in our dorp, and one of the places I collect rent from is a block of flats where the tenants have individual meters.

Yesterday I did my monthly readings, having received my Eskom account a couple of days back. The account was incredibly high, but then I thought that the readings might be equally so, so didn't do any calculations until today. It works out that the tenants used 1200 odd kw/h over the past month, and Eskom has "Estimated" their use at 2600.

This is bollocks, as Eskom quite obviously couldn't give a a damn whether these people are using their power economically or not - particularly when an estimate is more than double this months usage and 1.7 more than last month's actual reading.

Theoretically they will balance things out in the future, but that is something I have yet to see since starting this business. Even if they do even things out in the future, how do you explain to someone who is battling to pay his rent anyway, that Eskom is simply charging double this month...pay up or get out.

Makes me sick :mad:
 
Fazda said:
Not sure if this fits in this thread, but I'll add it anyway.

I run a leasing business in our dorp, and one of the places I collect rent from is a block of flats where the tenants have individual meters.

Yesterday I did my monthly readings, having received my Eskom account a couple of days back. The account was incredibly high, but then I thought that the readings might be equally so, so didn't do any calculations until today. It works out that the tenants used 1200 odd kw/h over the past month, and Eskom has "Estimated" their use at 2600.

This is bollocks, as Eskom quite obviously couldn't give a a damn whether these people are using their power economically or not - particularly when an estimate is more than double this months usage and 1.7 more than last month's actual reading.

Theoretically they will balance things out in the future, but that is something I have yet to see since starting this business. Even if they do even things out in the future, how do you explain to someone who is battling to pay his rent anyway, that Eskom is simply charging double this month...pay up or get out.

Makes me sick :mad:
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That's just more proof of how Eskom are mismanaging everything. But nothing gets done to insure that Eskom are doing their job properly. Makes me sick too:mad:
 
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