Esquire Axtrom DDR3 1333 - wrong spec?

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Just purchased 2 x 4Gb Axtrom DDR3 1333 ram from Esquire & they did not seem to work at first. Tried 3 different motherboards(Asus/Foxconn/MSI G41 chipsets) with same result: system would not start up. I have 4 x 2Gb Samsung DDR3 1333 that work fine in all 3 boards. Eventually discovered that I could get Axtrom ram to work if I clocked them down to 1066. Is Esquire selling 1066 ram badged as 1333???

Does anyone else here have any experience with these modules?
 
I built a 2500K based system the other day for a friend using an Asus board and 16Gb of that exact same RAM. He bought that RAM because they had it on special for R119 per 4Gb ex VAT. I left the RAM settings at default and the system ran perfectly fine. Another guy at work bought the same RAM and he had no problems. I'll contact them and find out if its running at 1333.
 
I haven't had problems on 2 systems 4gb each running on default.
You asked them to test it?
Might be faulty batch.
 
Kingston 4GB sold for ~R170 excl. the other day. Why anyone would buy "Axtrom" instead is beyond me.
 
@IceQB: What is your default ram speed? I will get them to test asap - could well be a bad batch...

@Gnome: Neighbour just purchased 2 x 4Gb Kingston DDR3 1333 & having exact same issue - needs to clock them at 1066 or system will not boot. Btw, I just did not have enough to cash pay any more than I did for Axtrom ram :(
 
Have you tried plugging in 1 stick of 4gb RAM? Its possible that those boards have some sort of RAM limitation. Also, i'll have to wait till the whole festive season is over before I can get hold of those guys running that RAM.
 
Have you tried plugging in 1 stick of 4gb RAM? Its possible that those boards have some sort of RAM limitation. Also, i'll have to wait till the whole festive season is over before I can get hold of those guys running that RAM.

Tried every possible combination on 3 different boards, always same result, they only work at 1066... No hurry, TIA.
 
needs to clock them at 1066 or system will not boot.
You are doing something wrong, I'm running 4x4GB in my current system at 1333Mhz. I've setup 2 servers at work both with 4x4GB and I've bought some for friends. Once again, all 1333Mhz. They run at that speed comfortable.

Are you running the latest BIOS, what motherboard(s), which chipsets, are you setting their speeds manually?

Kingston is better because?

what kingston was it?

Kingston ValueRAM, IMHO the most reliable RAM out there. Haven't ever had ValueRAM modules fail on me. I've stopped buying performance RAM for exactly that reason, they kept failing after a year or two but I have Kingston valueram modules from years ago that still run. I even had some "performance" RAM chips running at 1333mhz instead of 1600mhz in my server @ home but they died on me. Have had enough of these performance brands and their cheap quality parts.

Used to say, well buy any brand. Now I've gone back to Kingston ValueRAM. They are just the best quality IMHO.

Also the fact that I've bought approx. 16 of those 4GB 1333Mhz modules thus far, none were DOA.
 
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I have never had a DOA stick. I've used the cheapest crap known to the pc world and it's work 100%

The only thing i look at is a heat sink, i bought 16gb corsair dominator and it cost me 225 per stick inc vat. I only bought it for the heatsinks and they were not much more than kingston sticks without heatsinks.
 
I have never had a DOA stick. I've used the cheapest crap known to the pc world and it's work 100%

I've had plenty of RAM that were DOA, but I buy a LOT of computer hardware, I mean I buy for people in the office, I buy for the office, friends & family, etc.. Easily spent more than R100 000 @ Esquire this year (not my own money ;) ). Which isn't much for a store but for someone who does it as a hobby it is quite a bit.

The only thing i look at is a heat sink, i bought 16gb corsair dominator and it cost me 225 per stick inc vat. I only bought it for the heatsinks and they were not much more than kingston sticks without heatsinks.
Yeah, Tomshardware or Anandtech, can't recall which did a test a few years back. With these modules with "heatsinks". Basically they are cheap and small and the chips actually did better, heat wise, without them. They concluded that the cheaper chips with heatsinks are essentially just looks.

If you also look at both Kingston and Corsair, arguiable the two brands with the best quality control when it comes to RAM. Both offer "performance" RAM at that price point with EXACTLY the same timings as their ValueRAM chips. The difference? Heatsinks.

They aren't needed and aesthetics only IMHO. Higher clocked chips, with the huge heat sinks, well then it is a different game.
 
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Yup but i can bet you the cheap ass ram esquire sell has little to no performance difference to the more expensive kingston and neither have heatsinks.

I am also fairly sure there are people who have had kingston chips fail because technology is not perfect and you will you hear stories from different people, some will say asus is crap and fail all the time, another person will say they have never had a failure so i don't think you can base an opinion on one person. Way back in 2000 i used to sell pc's and so on and never had a ram failure on me first time. Perhaps the quality has dropped since i got out the game and you do buy a fair amount so wow ya quality must have dropped big time.

These heatsinks allow me to put fans on them so i am fairly certain that will make a difference plus they are 1600. I can believe a normal heatsink actually increase the heat but i highly doubt heatsinks plus fans on top will be increase the temp :D. So for slightly more money you get cooler, faster memory which seems like a bargain to me :D.
 
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Kingston 4GB sold for ~R170 excl. the other day. Why anyone would buy "Axtrom" instead is beyond me.

Nothing wrong with Axtrom. My 4GB modules are running happily at 1333 CL8 1.5v and it was R60 cheaper.

Why anyone still browses Anandtech and TomsHardware is beyond me.
 
These heatsinks allow me to put fans on them so i am fairly certain that will make a difference plus they are 1600.
That is a matter of opinion. I'm guessing you've never worked with server hardware. I work with it plenty. I have never, in my life, encountered a server with RAM heatsinks. And these servers cost more than R100k (IBM/Sun/Dell). Even our "cheap" self built R30k servers that we build using Kingston RAM looks EXACTLY like the ValueRAM. No heatsinks and unflattering.

And yes, naturally there will be people who have had Kingston ValueRAM chips fail. I'm saying I haven't. Whereas I've bought OCZ, SuperTalent, G.Skill, APacer. All of them eventually failed and some had DOA chips. Most of them were "performance" chips with heatsinks on that I just ran at standard frequencies (DDR3-1333Mhz/DDR2-800Mhz). Usually they fail about 2 or 3 years later. But it happens and at that point getting a new stick on that "lifetime warranty" part is nearly impossible (manufacturers at that point usually offer to give you credit based on "market value").

I haven't much experience with Corsair but from what I've heard from the other people I trust, their RAM is just as reliable.
Yup but i can bet you the cheap ass ram esquire sell has little to no performance difference to the more expensive kingston and neither have heatsinks.
Neither did I imply there was a performance difference. The Kingston is more reliable, that is my assessment based on years in the computer hardware industry and having bought a lot of brands. I'll never go back to the lesser known brands. Corsair or Kingston is all I'll ever buy again.

Benchmarks show that performance RAM has virtually no effect on Intel CPUs, no point spending a large amount of money on "performance" memory to get 2FPS extra in a game.

I am sure toms and anand are on the pay role :D
Which is why they commonly point out problems with hardware. The manufacturers love it when reviewers do that.
 
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I have never, in my life, encountered a server with RAM heatsinks. And these servers cost more than R100k (IBM/Sun/Dell). Even our "cheap" self built R30k servers that we build using Kingston RAM looks EXACTLY like the ValueRAM. No heatsinks and unflattering.The Kingston is more reliable, that is my assessment based on years in the computer hardware industry and having bought a lot of brands. I'll never go back to the lesser known brands. Corsair or Kingston is all I'll ever buy again.

Benchmarks show that performance RAM has virtually no effect on Intel CPUs, no point spending a large amount of money on "performance" memory to get 2FPS extra in a game.

+1

I'm sure they probably drop temps by a degree or so but I've never really felt ram that gets hot. It's essentially silicone snake oil marketed at the idiotic masses.

Yeah Kingston is pretty good ram, also had great success with Transcend. I try and stick to those two brands as they are reliable and cheap.
 
You really think heatsinks that you can add a fan on only drops it by a degree?

Not sure how a heatsink marketed to the masses is like snake oil. All it costs is a few bob extra so you can barely claim people are stupid to buy them. Honestly 170 vs 205 ex vat. Wow you gotta be stupid to pay that small amount extra and slap on a couple fans for ultimate cooling.

Very silly indeed. Believe me when you have good cooling those heatsinks work very well.

http://www.google.co.za/imgres?q=co...3&tbnw=121&start=0&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0

http://www.google.co.za/imgres?q=co...tart=0&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&tx=38&ty=48

1 degree ponder? LOL i think not
 
You are doing something wrong, I'm running 4x4GB in my current system at 1333Mhz. I've setup 2 servers at work both with 4x4GB and I've bought some for friends. Once again, all 1333Mhz. They run at that speed comfortable.

Are you running the latest BIOS, what motherboard(s), which chipsets, are you setting their speeds manually?

I could well be doing something wrong, but Samsung ram seems to work fine, though they are only 2gb...

All boards tested had latest BIOS updates applied, all using G41 chipset, 1 board auto-configs ram - others require jumper and/or BIOS setting to change ram speed. All boards claim to support 2 x 4Gb & 1333Mhz.

I have also installed 1333 modules into other computers recently, with no problems(various brands). Just my first experience with Axtrom brand. Must be a bad batch or compatibility issue...
 
@Oldhat: Eish G41 chipset. It doesn't officially support more than 4GB of DDR3 memory. It also doesn't support speeds greater than 1066. This is a chipset limitation. May be that Intel have upped those restrictions at some point.

Intel specifications: G41 Express Chipset said:
Dual-Channel DDR3 memory support Delivers up to 17 GB/s (DDR3 1066 dual 8.5 GB/s) of bandwidth and 4 GB maximum supported memory size for faster system responsiveness and support of 64-bit computing.

Source: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chipsets/mainstream-chipsets/g41-express-chipset.html
 
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