Extra panels or Solar Geyser?

6174 said:
Well, all I can say is I hope you don't get robbed. By the sound of things your system is R1 million and up so someone will take an interest sooner or later.
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You Sir have proven over and over again that you live in your own version of reality.

His system wasn’t even 200k because he was way ahead of the curve before the prices jumped up.

Maybe you should have out on sustainable.co.za a little bit more and actually take in what’s available.

The vast majority of people on here have spent < 250k.
 
Willie Trombone said:
Or you can just buy something with all those sensors built in. Why think you can do a better job at engineering than an engineer?

Here I am breaking the laws of thermodynamics using a 5kw inverter and my 10kwh battery to power a new 3kw geyser I just installed... No help from Eskom or the sun. Though I'll probably top up the battery with Eskom before bed. I just wanted warm water first thing tomorrow.

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My suggestion is... Let's press the reset button on this relationship. Instead of telling us were stupid, how about asking questions and we can all be civil.
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What did this system cost you?
Can the average person afford it?
How much is your loan and what does it accumulate to when paid in full?

It looks cool but I doubt most people can afford it.
 
See in the end most people that post about how wonderful solar has ignored the fact that it cost them loans and some paid millions not thousands. That is the big problem here. Now everyone thinks they can just get something like this on the cheap. It is not going to happen.
 
6174 said:
See in the end most people that post about how wonderful solar has ignored the fact that it cost them loans and some paid millions not thousands. That is the big problem here. Now everyone thinks they can just get something like this on the cheap. It is not going to happen.
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I've been in these circles for a while now and must admit, I've never heard of anyone who dropped millions (or even a single million) on a residential solar install. Perhaps you can point us to those who have? I'd love to see what marvel they have installed.

Also, this thread was in the context of additional solar panels (i.e. the system is already in place), a non-trivial fact you seem to have completely ignored.
 
6174 said:
See in the end most people that post about how wonderful solar has ignored the fact that it cost them loans and some paid millions not thousands. That is the big problem here. Now everyone thinks they can just get something like this on the cheap. It is not going to happen.
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If only you had just studied harder at school, you’d also be able to buy some panels.
 
Speedster said:
I've been in these circles for a while now and must admit, I've never heard of anyone who dropped millions (or even a single million) on a residential solar install. Perhaps you can point us to those who have? I'd love to see what marvel they have installed.

Also, this thread was in the context of additional solar panels (i.e. the system is already in place), a non-trivial fact you seem to have completely ignored.
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No, I am not aware of anyone that dropped a cool million into solar. But I have seen R150k systems and R200k Systems and the biggest number to date was R300k. But that was for an industrial system that needed Three-phase.

Point is, it didn't cost R30k or R20k, or even R50k. This was a significant loan and many made this loan on top of their home loan that is valued over a million and up. So you can play this game all day long. But remember most people don't qualify for any loans at all. For them, these prices are still very high. Many are renting and they cannot just do what they want on the property. There is a lot to consider, but the people here pretend that these problems don't exist and that solar is dirt cheap.

So do we call that misinformation? False information? Or?
 
Let's be honest for a moment can an R50k system run an oven, and geyser to produce infinite amounts of energy?

Well? All trash talk aside it probably can't. So why not tell the truth? In order to run power-hungry devices one will need a powerful system. That, that system will cost a lot of money. A lot more money than most households can afford.

This should be correctly and honestly represented. Be truthful.
 
Speedster said:
I've been in these circles for a while now and must admit, I've never heard of anyone who dropped millions (or even a single million) on a residential solar install. Perhaps you can point us to those who have? I'd love to see what marvel they have installed.

Also, this thread was in the context of additional solar panels (i.e. the system is already in place), a non-trivial fact you seem to have completely ignored.
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I saw a full offgrid setup with 3phase and 6x 5.5KW inverters and a ****it ton of batteries for a house,but that's an exception
 
6174 said:
No, I am not aware of anyone that dropped a cool million into solar. But I have seen R150k systems and R200k Systems and the biggest number to date was R300k. But that was for an industrial system that needed Three-phase.

Point is, it didn't cost R30k or R20k, or even R50k. This was a significant loan and many made this loan on top of their home loan that is valued over a million and up. So you can play this game all day long. But remember most people don't qualify for any loans at all. For them, these prices are still very high. Many are renting and they cannot just do what they want on the property. There is a lot to consider, but the people here pretend that these problems don't exist and that solar is dirt cheap.

So do we call that misinformation? False information? Or?
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Where is the misinformation / false information. You're the only one who's been making statements you can't back up.
 
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6174 said:
Let's be honest for a moment can an R50k system run an oven, and geyser to produce infinite amounts of energy?

Well? All trash talk aside it probably can't. So why not tell the truth? In order to run power-hungry devices one will need a powerful system. That, that system will cost a lot of money. A lot more money than most households can afford.

This should be correctly and honestly represented. Be truthful.
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That has nothing to do with what the thread was about.
 
6174 said:
Let's be honest for a moment can an R50k system run an oven, and geyser to produce infinite amounts of energy?

Well? All trash talk aside it probably can't. So why not tell the truth? In order to run power-hungry devices one will need a powerful system. That, that system will cost a lot of money. A lot more money than most households can afford.

This should be correctly and honestly represented. Be truthful.
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I run my whole house every month on about 50 kWh that I buy from Eskom and a R130 k solar system that I installed a few months ago. (I did not take out a loan)
My electricity account dropped from R1800 a month to R109.04 this month.
 
The idea of using your solar for heating water is not good.

Depending on the inverter and what mode it is in, it will consume "some" power from the grid, solar, and batteries.

I stated a million times now, that you should not cycle your batteries if it is not needed. The problem is that these people CANNOT UNDERSTAND THIS AT ALL. THERE WILL BE A SITUATION THAT WILL ALLOW THE INVERTER TO USE BOTH POWER FROM THE SOLAR PANELS AND THE BATTERY DEPENDING ON THE DAY.

BUT ACCORDING TO THEM, THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE. YET TODAY AS I GOT MY QUOTE THE INSTALLER WARNED ME ABOUT THIS EXACT SITUATION!

It is at this point they are misleading the public into believing that this can never happen. More so they refuse to believe that a 3.2Kwh load can drain a 9Kwh battery in a few hours if it doesn't get charged from solar or grid.

So who is the liar here? me? or them? you decide.
 
6174 said:
The idea of using your solar for heating water is not good.

Depending on the inverter and what mode it is in, it will consume "some" power from the grid, solar, and batteries.

I stated a million times now, that you should not cycle your batteries if it is not needed. The problem is that these people CANNOT UNDERSTAND THIS AT ALL. THERE WILL BE A SITUATION THAT WILL ALLOW THE INVERTER TO USE BOTH POWER FROM THE SOLAR PANELS AND THE BATTERY DEPENDING ON THE DAY.

BUT ACCORDING TO THEM, THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE. YET TODAY AS I GOT MY QUOTE THE INSTALLER WARNED ME ABOUT THIS EXACT SITUATION!

It is at this point they are misleading the public into believing that this can never happen. More so they refuse to believe that a 3.2Kwh load can drain a 9Kwh battery in a few hours if it doesn't get charged from solar or grid.

So who is the liar here? me? or them? you decide.
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You're arguing (and shouting) stuff no one disagrees with. The difference is that I don't mind using my battery to heat the geyser on the odd day. My two geysers combined use about 5kWh per day, and I have 10kWh battery. So in a worst case scenario if the geysers are heated from the battery alone (i.e. heavy, heavy cloud cover) that'll amount to 0.5 cycles. I can live with that. On 300+ days a year the geyser has zero effect on the batteries. The other 65 days it might account for 20 cycles. That is virtually negligible.
 
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6174 said:
The idea of using your solar for heating water is not good.

Depending on the inverter and what mode it is in, it will consume "some" power from the grid, solar, and batteries.

I stated a million times now, that you should not cycle your batteries if it is not needed. The problem is that these people CANNOT UNDERSTAND THIS AT ALL. THERE WILL BE A SITUATION THAT WILL ALLOW THE INVERTER TO USE BOTH POWER FROM THE SOLAR PANELS AND THE BATTERY DEPENDING ON THE DAY.

BUT ACCORDING TO THEM, THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE. YET TODAY AS I GOT MY QUOTE THE INSTALLER WARNED ME ABOUT THIS EXACT SITUATION!

It is at this point they are misleading the public into believing that this can never happen. More so they refuse to believe that a 3.2Kwh load can drain a 9Kwh battery in a few hours if it doesn't get charged from solar or grid.

So who is the liar here? me? or them? you decide.
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Factually speaking, cold showers suck in winter. So using the battery is factually a good idea.
 
Pegasus said:
Factually speaking, cold showers suck in winter. So using the battery is factually a good idea.
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Factually you should he making a fire under the pipes and heating the water in line.

Using electricity is factually inefficient.
 
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