F1 2011 thread

killadoob said:
Yea but what does it achieve though? Same for everyone so you can only imagine it will filter down the field and everyone will have the same issue thus the performance should be the same. Stupid rule in my opinion that doesn't seem to do anything of note.

What did it achieve considering it's not very difficult? What changed? Could you explain to me what exactly it changed enigma?
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The long and short of it is that there were teams who would stroll to their cars after quali, plug in a laptop, and fundamentally change the way their cars would run from Saturday to Sunday. Obviously this is rather against the spirit of having parc ferme conditions after quali.

See it as a clarification rather than a new rule. It was just the FIA saying "hey, don't do that".
 
I wonder if that is what mclaren were doing, they seemed to always have insane race pace compared to their quali.
 
Oh McLaren were doing it alright - they had it tuned a bit better than Ferrari IMO, which is why Ferrari probably benefitted the most from the change this last race.

I still think we have to wait for Silverstone though cos I don't see why the driver can't just upload engine maps while on the grid with a few presses of their steering wheel knobs. Surely they can build in the sw for the mappings to memory on the wheel. Am i missing something? You can have 100 variations on the engine mappings all stored without adding to the weight of the car :p
 
It's just a stupid rule which hurt mclaren, they were already struggling. They needed the help. Now they got a tractor :D.

This new change at silverstone should make a huge difference, far more than engine mapping.
 
Well i hope because i am tired of seeing vettel pomp everyone, the upside would be vettel pomping everyone in a car that is now equal :D.

Should shut up all the doubters. Specially hamilton who thinks redbull are cheating. Go vettel show em who is the king of f1.
 
killadoob said:
It's just a stupid rule which hurt mclaren, they were already struggling. They needed the help. Now they got a tractor :D.

This new change at silverstone should make a huge difference, far more than engine mapping.
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It might yes, but I'm not convinced McLaren weren't one of the teams benefitting from the tech. They were the best of the rest in that department IMO (hence their points). The Q is whether the gap to the top will be bigger for McLaren and less for Ferrari after the call... I suspect Ferrari were the biggest instigators in having the rules changed.
 
As far as i know ferrari run the system as well, mclaren i am not sure if they do.

I would imagine mclaren were the ones bitching about it.
 
Not necessarily, just because Ferrari have had dik-lip with the media for the past few miserable years, doesn't mean they don't whinge at FOTA meetings. McLaren are just one of those teams who have a good media approach - better to say something than nothing.

So if Redbull are prepping everyone for a .5 second difference in their lap times, one has to wonder if they aren't just doing it to lul them into a false sense of security. I don't think .5s less on a redbull will equate to .5s closer to their rivals, that's for sure... everyone will be slower and we'll probably be more or less the same as the last race.
 
Few = 3, so yes, the last few years if you include this year. Anyway, without schumi they are so 70s lol
 
In one of the BBC articles they talked about the blown defusers and quoted Chris Horner saying that they only use "cold blow" (something along those lines) while most of the other teams use hot blown. The difference being that cold blown doesn't dump fuel into the exhaust like hot blowing with hot blowing giving an extra advantage as more gasses are released. The reason they don't use the latter is that it burned their body work. So when red-bull says that it wont effect them as much I'm inclined to believe them, the gap between them and the other teams is just going to increase.

As for red-bull cheating, from the other teams perspective Id also be thinking they cheat :P. Their KERS lack 20kw compared to the McLaren's 60kw (if the BBC cometary team is to be believed) and their DRS is not as efficient as other cars. So that leaves them with some fancy plastic bits making them faster than the other teams ;)
 
Little-Mermaid said:
In one of the BBC articles they talked about the blown defusers and quoted Chris Horner saying that they only use "cold blow" (something along those lines) while most of the other teams use hot blown. The difference being that cold blown doesn't dump fuel into the exhaust like hot blowing with hot blowing giving an extra advantage as more gasses are released. The reason they don't use the latter is that it burned their body work. So when red-bull says that it wont effect them as much I'm inclined to believe them, the gap between them and the other teams is just going to increase.

As for red-bull cheating, from the other teams perspective Id also be thinking they cheat :P. Their KERS lack 20kw compared to the McLaren's 60kw (if the BBC cometary team is to be believed) and their DRS is not as efficient as other cars. So that leaves them with some fancy plastic bits making them faster than the other teams ;)
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Hmmm, dont recall anyone saying they cheat but I do recall them saying they are going to be bitten by the new rule to the tune of about .5 a lap. I'm inclined to believe their carbon fibre weave on the front nose is a big part of their success.
 
http://www.netcars.com/blogs/william-ward-s-f1-blog/flexing-wings-and-the-rules/77/

For me though the issue is not with the front wings, whether they are flexing or not, or if the test is stringent enough, for me the issue is a worrying trend if the wing does get banned. Double diffusers, F-ducts and flexi-wings are all signs of the brilliant minds that F1 harbours. When engineers creating solutions to problems and exploit loopholes and gaps in the rules that bring extra tenths on the track everyone is quick to question it, and as I alluded to above in the case of the f-duct and the DD they have been banned. This, for me, is not in the ethic of F1, I spoken before about how F1 is in a unique position to pass breakthroughs on to the consumer car market and how I am in support of this, hence the return of KERS next year. However F1 is also the pinnacle of motorsport and the sort of genius it takes to create things like DD, F-ducts and flexi wings should be encouraged, banning these breakthroughs is not the way F1 should act to stay on top.
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I tend to agree with that. It's been about a year since silverstone last where the whole flexing front wing controversy started and we've seen three other technologies banned (double diffuser, blown diffuser and f-duct) but the flexing front wing is still there. I assume the FIA is not interested in seeing them out since their tests, inadequate to test the technology in the way it's being used to bend the wing are not being modified. They should just back off totally and let the teams innovate.
 
Redbull technicians prepping the front wing for some ground hugging downforce with reinforcing strips :D

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"Lewis is a racer and a fighter but the thing he hasn't got quite right is when you pass people, don't try and knock them off!" he said.

LOL so true
 
VIVA Lewis VIVA
and sucks to those who think he should wait for space to pass a barge through before he overtakes! Vettel fans can be thankful he's mostly out of the racing...
 
Gabonica said:
VIVA Lewis VIVA
and sucks to those who think he should wait for space to pass a barge through before he overtakes! Vettel fans can be thankful he's mostly out of the racing...
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It's not the over taking mansel was referring to, it is what happens after the overtake. Give the guy space, don't try run him off the road :D. Vettel is lucky because mostly hamilton is out of the racing as well.
 
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