F1 2011 thread

killadoob said:
RBR will always be competitive with the likes of vettel and the car designer :D. Adrian neweu or how you spell it, perhaps it's not him but i am sure it could be :p
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*Newey... yes, it is him. I don't think any single other person has designed more championship-winning cars. He is a wizard.
 
Rosaudio said:
Doubt Hamilton would ever change teams, McLaren has basically been his whole life. Ron Dennis made him who he is today...
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I agree with you...

Terrabiticfossilite said:
I agree, money and ambition talks, besides, Ron Dennis is not with McLaren F1 and so he will be less likely inclined to be loyal. I reckon he might take Webbers seat if it was offered him (and RBR is still competitive).
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And with you too... :D There's a lot of history though. He might stay but MW's seat would be too enticing. What I would like is for him to stay. A true measure of a champ, IMHO, is to drive the wheels off whatever car you have at your disposal. Team hopping can end up badly. No one knows what RBR's pace will be come Mar 2012. He must sit tight.
 
Ron Dennis is still with McLaren, by the way. Just not as manager of the F1 team - he's in charge of their road car programme now if I recall.
 
killadoob said:
RBR will always be competitive with the likes of vettel and the car designer :D. Adrian neweu or how you spell it, perhaps it's not him but i am sure it could be :p
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That's like saying they are never going to be beaten. It just takes one good / lucky design to prove that wrong. Bear in mind that when you stumble across a winner in the current testing ban environment, your competition are hardly going to be given an opportunity to easily beat it.
 
enigma243 said:
Ron Dennis is still with McLaren, by the way. Just not as manager of the F1 team - he's in charge of their road car programme now if I recall.
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Different company altogether. Only linked by the brand name. He doesn't work for F1.
 
Terrabiticfossilite said:
Different company altogether. Only linked by the brand name. He doesn't work for F1.
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Not to get mired in a semantic battle, but The F1 team, known internally as McLaren Racing Limited, is a subsidiary of the McLaren Group, hence very much part of the company that now has Dennis as its chairman.

He might not work within the department directly, but he is still head honcho.
 
NetDude said:
I agree with you...



And with you too... :D There's a lot of history though. He might stay but MW's seat would be too enticing. What I would like is for him to stay. A true measure of a champ, IMHO, is to drive the wheels off whatever car you have at your disposal. Team hopping can end up badly. No one knows what RBR's pace will be come Mar 2012. He must sit tight.
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Totally agree, with his help, the Macca can become a winning car again, here's hoping the relax the testing ban and by so doing, allow drivers to have more input into the car's design. With the hours for testing, there's too much pot luck involved.
 
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killadoob said:
Well ferrari use a similar system if i am not mistaken and honestly the redbull is not much faster, they just have the best driver in the seat. Redbull also know the changes are coming so if you think they have not done anything about it then you are in for surprise :D

Without vettel would redbull have nailed everyone in quali? I doubt it
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Yes, but Ferrari copied Red Bull in designing the reprofiled exhaust system to blow over the rear diffuser. Red Bull devised the idea, their car was designed from the bottom up to run with it. And even so, the Ferrari's are no match for a Red Bull.

Look at race pace, those Red Bulls definitely lose their advantage, especially as the season has worn on. Even Vettel. McLaren have been getting closer. Vettel would have been mugged at Monaco, or there would have been a collision at the least, and he has a reputation for racing in the wet, so Canada was not a clear representation until the track dried and Button slaughtered him. The season will get tighter and tighter now.
 
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moer said:
Their grip in the corners is also to do with that sparse carbon fibre weave in the nose cone I believe - where the whole nose flexes and brings the front wing to the ground at high speed.
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The nose only has merits at high speed as it only flexes under high loads. That benefits the Red Bulls in high speed corners. While still being of advantage, it is not as huge as the blown diffuser as more time can be won or lost in tighter turns, where traction and grip are more important. Especially turns leading onto straights, where the Red Bulls are able to accelerate earlier and maintain more corner speed due to the higher levels of grip. They estimate a team such as Red Bull enjoys nearly 15% more traction and corner grip than say a Sauber, which does not run a blown diffuser.
 
thestaggy said:
The nose only has merits at high speed as it only flexes under high loads. That benefits the Red Bulls in high speed corners. While still being of advantage, it is not as huge as the blown diffuser as more time can be won or lost in tighter turns, where traction and grip are more important. Especially turns leading onto straights, where the Red Bulls are able to accelerate earlier and maintain more corner speed due to the higher levels of grip. They estimate a team such as Red Bull enjoys nearly 15% more traction and corner grip than say a Sauber, which does not run a blown diffuser.
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I wonder how much the new diffuser changes will affect all of that. I suspect their nose advantage (high speed corners) will then be amplified while the rest is levelled. At least I hope the rest is at least levelled.
 
I think even if a team like sauber ran the blown diffuser they would still suck :p.

Mclaren i am afraid have dropped the ball while redbull have designed an absolute gem and they have arguably the best driver in the seat. Redbull have been untouchable during quali but their race pace has not been so good. For most of the season they have had issues with the boost button as well. Ferrari must get rid of massa and put kobaoshi(spelling) in his place :D.

I hope mclaren and ferrari get closer because alonso has what it takes he just needs the car, hamilton i am afraid has lost the plot so i think even a competitive car would see him struggle. He needs to move. It is fairly obvious things are not 100% with him and f1 needs hamilton driving well along with alonso right there.
 
I really, really don't get all the **** slung at Hamilton at the moment. Monaco was nightmarish - it happens. Canada was an accident - it happens. Up until before Monaco he was chasing a rampant Vettel better than anyone else, giving him 2nd in the standings. He is frustrated, sure, but give him one victory - or even a podium - and that will ease.

McLaren is still on the whole the team to be at. They're the second-most successful team behind Ferrari, but Ferrari are a bunch of ****ers and as a result also attract ****ers. Red Bull are ruling the roost at present, but that balance too will again shift. Hamilton got a golden spoon shoved down his gullet with his McLaren affiliation - it would be utterly daft to move.
 
It's not about the races it is about the way he is looking, he looks frustrated and almost as if he is done. Fed up, it is the second season now mclaren have given him a rubbish car.

Even the commentators asked the mclaren boss if hamilton was going to take next year off. To me he does not look like the ham of the last 3 years, he looks out of sorts to me. It almost looks like he cannot see a bright future this season, given up already. I could be wrong :D.

No doubt hamilton landed with his ass in the butter, i cannot recall a driver who landed in a winning car first season but mclaren also got an amazing driver and quite frankly they need to give him a car or he must leave. Hamilton is there to entertain and win races, if that means a move then so be it. Also just reading the interviews, he keeps saying stuff like redbull are so good because they are cheating basically. He very rarely says well my car is just shyte and vettel is in unbelievable form. Give credit where it is due, we can see by mark webber the redbull is not as amazing as people make out but in the right hands it is amazing.
 
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He will bounce back, the good ones always do. MS was frustrated plenty in his day.
 
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Lewis Hamilton and Tony Stewart F1/NASCAR seat swop... parts 2 to 6 (I think) on Yooooooooooooootoooooooobe
 
Goodness gracious goshdarn!! 2 whole seasons with a bad car? Whatever shall he do? I mean those are years he's not gonna get back, it's not like Schumie & Ferrari where he jumped into an awesome car and didn't have to develop it. Oh, no wait, that's not right.

If he doesn't have the best car, isn't some of the responsibility his?

It's isn't even that bad a car, it's just that the Bulls are benefiting from an Adrian Newey hot streak.
 
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