F1 2012 thread

alf101 said:
Lewis has managed to prove that he's an ungrateful prat, whereas Shumi proved that he was miles ahead of anyone else.
Is that what you meant?
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Sure... miles ahead of everyone apart from Nico Rosberg. ;)

I won't deny that Hamilton acted a right clown on numerous occasions, but none of those occasions happened this season. He drove with a maturity this year that I didn't think he'd ever reach. If Brawn can give him a proper car he'll be right up there, again.

There's prospect for a fantastic season next year. Alonso, Vettel, Button, Hamilton and Räikkönen all in clear no. 1 roles; if they all get decent equipment it's gonna be a cracker. And, as a bonus, no ass-hat Schumacher.
 
HapticSimian said:
2 things: Senna taking Prost out was in retaliation for Prost doing the same the previous year. And as for Vettel's penalty, it shouldn't ever have been one. That was just the FIA harking back to their heyday of being whinger-appeasing Ferrari International Assistance. :p
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Well, that is two multiple world champions guilty of taking one another out. Point reinforced. And anyway, Senna was a well-known risk-taker and aggressive driver. And if you think running someone off the road at 200km/h through a high speed curve is fine, well then. . .
 
HapticSimian said:
Lewis has already proven himself capable against highly lauded team-mates, something Schumacher never had to do. Not that he could even best Nico Rosberg for the majority of his failed comeback.
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Yeah, that Heikki Kovalainen was a beast.

Beating the likes of Mika Hakkinen (in superior machinery) and Damon Hill (in superior machinery) to championships and winning races with the likes of Alain Prost, Nigel Mansell and Ayrton Senna on the grid is not good enough?

Say and believe what you want, Michael was a great driver.
 
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thestaggy said:
Well, that is two multiple world champions guilty of taking one another out. Point reinforced. And anyway, Senna was a well-known risk-taker and aggressive driver. And if you think running someone off the road at 200km/h through a high speed curve is fine, well then. . .
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There's a marked difference between an act of retribution and being willing to run your challengers off the road as a matter of course. As for Vettel/Alonso: Alonso tried to pass on the outside of a high-speed curve & then cried when Vettel followed the natural line. Alonso whines, it's just something he does.
 
thestaggy said:
Yeah, that Heikki Kovalainen was a beast.

Beating the likes of Mika Hakkinen (in superior machinery) and Damon Hill (in superior machinery) to championships and winning races with the likes of Alain Prost, Nigel Mansell and Ayrton Senna on the grid is not good enough?

Say and believe what you want, Michael was a great driver.
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Beating Hill by... shunting him off the road? Sure, mark of a true talent(-less ass-hat).
 
HapticSimian said:
There's a marked difference between an act of retribution and being willing to run your challengers off the road as a matter of course. As for Vettel/Alonso: Alonso tried to pass on the outside of a high-speed curve & then cried when Vettel followed the natural line. Alonso whines, it's just something he does.
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So Alonso has the right to kamikaze Grosjean next season? Actually, by that logic half the grid will have a free pass to prang into Grosjean.

Alonso was alongside and at one point his front wing was ahead of Vettel leading into the curve. Where did Vettel think he was going to disappear to? That could have been a catastrophic accident at that speed had they touched wheels or had Alonso lost control and rocketed back across the track.

And a nice little tit-bit for you about Senna; Derek Warwick was a rising star, seen as agreater talent than one Nigel Mansell, a man denied multiple titles by sheer bad luck. With a surge in performace in the mid 80s, Lotus decided to bring Warwick into the team alongside Senna to build a powerful combination. Senna vetoed Warwick and instead got the highly pedestrian Johnny Dumfries as a teammate. Senna later admitted it was a bad move on his part, quoted as saying; "It was bad, bad. Until then I had a good relationship with Derek".

Senna was no different to the man you clearly think so lowly of.
 
HapticSimian said:
Beating Hill by... shunting him off the road? Sure, mark of a true talent(-less ass-hat).
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1995. The British press and Sir Frank Williams climbed all over Hill for wasting what was clearly the better car. Part of why Hill was never brought back after his '96 triumph was because Williams felt he wasted the best car on the grid and should have won more. The Williams-Renault combination was faster than the Benetton-Renault.

1994 is iffy. Michael's car was clearly broken, so who knows how much control he had over it. And Hill tried to dive down at a corner not known for passing.

And again, maybe he did it on purpose. But so did Prost and Senna, no?
 
thestaggy said:
So Alonso has the right to kamikaze Grosjean next season? Actually, by that logic half the grid will have a free pass to prang into Grosjean.
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Not really comparable. Prost took Senna out of the '89 Japanese GP in order to save his champioship, as Schumacher did to Hill in '94 and tried to do Villeneuve in '97. Grosjean was never a title contender, and didn't pull a premeditated 'kamikaze' as you put it in order to prevent Alonso from beating him to a championship.

thestaggy said:
Alonso was alongside and at one point his front wing was ahead of Vettel leading into the curve. Where did Vettel think he was going to disappear to? That could have been a catastrophic accident at that speed had they touched wheels or had Alonso lost control and rocketed back across the track.
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He took a gap that was always going to disappear; a gap Vettel likely wouldn't even imagine he'd chance. Stupid Alonso, and wet-noodle FIA.

thestaggy said:
And a nice little tit-bit for you about Senna; Derek Warwick was a rising star, seen as agreater talent than one Nigel Mansell, a man denied multiple titles by sheer bad luck. With a surge in performace in the mid 80s, Lotus decided to bring Warwick into the team alongside Senna to build a powerful combination. Senna vetoed Warwick and instead got the highly pedestrian Johnny Dumfries as a teammate. Senna later admitted it was a bad move on his part, quoted as saying; "It was bad, bad. Until then I had a good relationship with Derek".

Senna was no different to the man you clearly think so lowly of.
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Maybe, maybe not. I probably supported Senna mostly because I dug the yellow helmet; I was young. :p
 
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thestaggy said:
Schumacher may not be a "nice guy", but are Vettel (he's changed a lot, from joking youngster to whiney ''Everything isn't going my way" bitchboy)
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cant agree with you more. vettel thinks he is always the victim. on Sunday after the race he said they were dirty tricks employed against him thru out the season
 
IPX-SPX said:
I'll give you the benefit and assume you meant 'You'd better'
:p
On a serious note, have you considered seeing a doctor about depression? Not being flippant, just observant.
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Don't think depression is the cause or issue lol. Besides this is highly offensive. What if I just came out of therapy and you just caused me to relapse. Could I send you the doctor's bills?

Let's stay on topic instead of insulting each other because that's a war you won't win, trust me. :D

Where was I, right, Alonso sucks.
 
Tim182 said:
Don't think depression is the cause or issue lol. Besides this is highly offensive. What if I just came out of therapy and you just caused me to relapse. Could I send you the doctor's bills?

Let's stay on topic instead of insulting each other because that's a war you won't win, trust me. :D

Where was I, right, Alonso sucks.
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Its not an insult, I'm being very serious. Depression is often overlooked - symptoms can be diverse. I took a look at your past posts and there could be something to it IMO.

http://www.m.webmd.com/depression/guide/depression-symptoms-and-types

It wouldn't hurt to get a professional opinion.
 
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This thread is full of blue bull supporters (Lots of draad sitters supporting the winning team). I support Mclaren, since I started watching in high school. Anyway who supports Force India? Seems they are going to become a much stronger team.

As for why I do not like Vettel? He sounds like a whining little bit*h when something does not go his way.
Why I do not like redbull? Cheater team. While I do support them for thinking outside the box, rules are still rules.
Anyone active on the F1 forums etc? Not the myBB version. Loads of info and assumptions with pics to prove how the redbull has a balast system. Look at the car with a full load of fuel. Rear is up high, look at it when empty. Rear is low. Apparantly they have "reliability issues" with the renault engine.Does not effect the Lotus though? Tyre warming hubs etc are brilliant ideas though.

Just my2c
 
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