F1 2013 thread

I've been watching F1 for considerably longer than a decade, and I maintain DRS is a Band-Aid on a bullet wound. The trick would be to make cars more reliant on mechanical grip and less so on aerodynamic downforce. DRS is horribly, horribly artificial - turning drivers into sitting ducks for whoever happens to be behind them on a long straight is a ****ing stupid setup.

Yea i agree but if we have we sit again with cars not being able to pass i might fall asleep during gp's again :D.

Generally the faster cars get the advanced because they are able to stay within 1 second of the car in front, while it is artificial it is giving the faster cars a much better chance to get past the slower cars instead of being stuck behind them for 20 laps.
 
Yea i agree but if we have we sit again with cars not being able to pass i might fall asleep during gp's again :D.

Generally the faster cars get the advanced because they are able to stay within 1 second of the car in front, while it is artificial it is giving the faster cars a much better chance to get past the slower cars instead of being stuck behind them for 20 laps.

Others are not as easily enthralled as you.
 
Yea i agree but if we have we sit again with cars not being able to pass i might fall asleep during gp's again :D.

Generally the faster cars get the advanced because they are able to stay within 1 second of the car in front, while it is artificial it is giving the faster cars a much better chance to get past the slower cars instead of being stuck behind them for 20 laps.

...though that has the effect of letting the next guy catch up... that in itself can make a race outcome interesting.
 
Others are not as easily enthralled as you.

Yea some people enjoy watching 20 cars follow each other around without any action, do you like golf? You seem like the kind of guy who can sit and watch golf all day.

...though that has the effect of letting the next guy catch up... that in itself can make a race outcome interesting.

We have seen it time and again, the faster cars will break the 1 second gap, if the cars are on the same pace they will swop positions over a few laps until one breaks the gap, they all have drs and if you get passed by a car using drs but you are fast enough to beat him you should be able to get the drs next time round. So all of them have drs, the way haptic talks it seems like drs determines the outcome of races. All it does is allow guys like alonso and top okes the opportunity to pass cars slower than they are, i don't know how long he has been watching but in the past at one point you could not even get within a second of the car in front of you.

Being a golfing man though haptic won't like all the excitement and over taking, Hactic should go sit and watch cars on the high way during the next gp :p. We can enjoy the excitement.
 
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Yea some people enjoy watching 20 cars follow each other around without any action, do you like golf? You seem like the kind of guy who can sit and watch golf all day.

We have seen it time and again, the faster cars will break the 1 second gap, if the cars are on the same pace they will swop positions over a few laps until one breaks the gap, they all have drs and if you get passed by a car using drs but you are fast enough to beat him you should be able to get the drs next time round. So all of them have drs, the way haptic talks it seems like drs determines the outcome of races. All it does is allow guys like alonso and top okes the opportunity to pass cars slower than they are, i don't know how long he has been watching but in the past at one point you could not even get within a second of the car in front of you.

Being a golfing man though haptic won't like all the excitement and over taking, Hactic should go sit and watch cars on the high way during the next gp :p. We can enjoy the excitement.

It's not a question of action vs no action, but of you being unable to distinguish between Catwoman action and Pulp Fiction action. You make me weep for humanity.
 
Again, this is why we need to bring back alternate ways of getting downforce - that don't impact on the car behind... in fact... ways that enhance the speed of the car behind - more tow... and back to tyres that can take a pounding and not penalise drivers for racing aggressively... Then we'll be back to that classic Viellneuve vs Arnoux scene.

[video=youtube;j3tXJm9tYGM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3tXJm9tYGM[/video]
 
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Well said. I even enjoyed the refuelling strategies. That was real racing - equalising the field makes it boring
 
Ditto haptic :D

You don't even need to go as far back as the 70, go back to the senna/prost era. Action and no team orders. Pure racing some had turbo's some didn't.

Then there was a period where ferrari dominated due to the great man but also because the tires lasted so long and cars could not get within a second of each other without losing performance.

I have been watching f1 for 15 years or something maybe more, i was watching senna in 91 so actually a bit longer and the last 3-4 seasons have been the best by far. Senna dying kinda killed the sport for a bit until alonso hit the scene. Then of course there was vettel's first victory and obvious signs vettel was special and along came the ham.

i dunno but i am satisfied with the excitement every race. I don't want boring round and round we go BS, haptic may enjoy it and he may think if he enjoys it everyone else must but each to their own, if you like golf and boring sport then good for you. If you don't like the new format don't watch it like i did when michael was dominating and there was nothing more than round and round we go.

Haptic you watch 5 das cricket and more than likely find t20 a load of rubbish, too much excitement hey?

Gayle hitting 175 off 66 deliveries who needs that excitement, you would rather watch kallis get 100 of 320 balls :p. Would that be correct? Nothing wrong with it just trying to gage if you enjoy slow boring sport where as i love fast paced action.
 
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Ditto haptic :D

You don't even need to go as far back as the 70, go back to the senna/prost era. Action and no team orders. Pure racing some had turbo's some didn't.

Then there was a period where ferrari dominated due to the great man but also because the tires lasted so long and cars could not get within a second of each other without losing performance.

I have been watching f1 for 15 years or something maybe more, i was watching senna in 91 so actually a bit longer and the last 3-4 seasons have been the best by far. Senna dying kinda killed the sport for a bit until alonso hit the scene. Then of course there was vettel's first victory and obvious signs vettel was special and along came the ham.

i dunno but i am satisfied with the excitement every race. I don't want boring round and round we go BS, haptic may enjoy it and he may think if he enjoys it everyone else must but each to their own, if you like golf and boring sport then good for you. If you don't like the new format don't watch it like i did when michael was dominating and there was nothing more than round and round we go.

Haptic you watch 5 das cricket and more than likely find t20 a load of rubbish, too much excitement hey?

Gayle hitting 175 off 66 deliveries who needs that excitement, you would rather watch kallis get 100 of 320 balls :p. Would that be correct? Nothing wrong with it just trying to gage if you enjoy slow boring sport where as i love fast paced action.

So... even grasping the word 'ditto' lays outside your capability?! What sense is there in explaining myself to you again if you will only ignore the post again and project whatever the **** conclusion you want onto me again? I ask this without prejudice and malice... are you retarded?
 
So... even grasping the word 'ditto' lays outside your capability?! What sense is there in explaining myself to you again if you will only ignore the post again and project whatever the **** conclusion you want onto me again? I ask this without prejudice and malice... are you retarded?



I used ditto correctly, if everyone was like me there would be no golf, there would be no 5 day cricket and any sport i deemed boring would be gone but luckily i know everyone enjoys different things so i don't make snide remarks about them enjoying excitement unlike yourself.
 
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Again, this is why we need to bring back alternate ways of getting downforce - that don't impact on the car behind... in fact... ways that enhance the speed of the car behind - more tow... and back to tyres that can take a pounding and not penalise drivers for racing aggressively... Then we'll be back to that classic Viellneuve vs Arnoux scene.

[video=youtube;j3tXJm9tYGM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3tXJm9tYGM[/video]

That was a great duel, but I don't think it would be tolerated today even if the cars could run that close. The slightest nudge is now investigated, so if you had to go around a track banging wheels you'd be penalised chop-chop. Also, it is dangerous. When open-wheel cars touch wheels one of them is going to do a backflip or two.
 
That was a great duel, but I don't think it would be tolerated today even if the cars could run that close. The slightest nudge is now investigated, so if you had to go around a track banging wheels you'd be penalised chop-chop. Also, it is dangerous. When open-wheel cars touch wheels one of them is going to do a backflip or two.

Remember webber when he did a back flip, holy fk. I am sure he shat himself haha
 
Yeah... statistics when Jackie Stewart raced were...
1 / 3 chance you were going to live...
2 / 3 chance you were going to die.

Things have come a long way

[video=youtube;_VtQ9Uc062M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VtQ9Uc062M[/video]
 
Yeah... statistics when Jackie Stewart raced were...
1 / 3 chance you were going to live...
2 / 3 chance you were going to die.

Things have come a long way

[video=youtube;_VtQ9Uc062M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VtQ9Uc062M[/video]

Yeah, it was rough and tumble in those days. Nowadays the cars are a lot safer but the appetite for wheel-to-wheel racing is no longer there, however good or bad that may be.
 
Did you ever see Christian Fittipaldi's flying finish to the 1993 Monza GP?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAWgnYJvW_U

LOL yea, what a way to finish a race, it's a classic. Kubica though in recent history is about the luckiest guy in f1(well not in f1 but hopefully he will be back), he was literally inches away from death. Wow he got lucky that day, i will try find video. Senna got very unlucky, hit a wall and the tire smashed him something horrible, he said he was scared to drive that day because ratzenburger had died the same weekend. He didn't actually want to race that day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8ogpOfPTR8&feature=endscreen

Wow Check how it never turns, must have also suffered a similar steering issue to senna.
 
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[video=youtube;SiOPWFvu0Po]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiOPWFvu0Po[/video]
 
Here's one of Patrese and Berger at Portugal. An example of open wheelers touching:

[video=youtube;9e5A55atmAc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e5A55atmAc[/video]
 
This one is of Senna stopping his car and running to help a driver that crashed:

[video=youtube;EOGiguIUyZ4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOGiguIUyZ4[/video]
 
Here's one of Patrese and Berger at Portugal. An example of open wheelers touching:

[video=youtube;9e5A55atmAc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e5A55atmAc[/video]

LOL at Murray's groan (0:07) as Patrese goes airborne! I loved that guy.

But seriously though, that was scary close. Aside from nearly bashing the sign he could have taken a tumble into the pits.
 
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