F1 2014 thread

[Polish]

And Lewis proved again that he's a d00s by putting himself in front of the team.

What a w.anker

 

[Polish]

Great race! I think they should wet the Hungaroring every year. Well done Ricciardo, amazing drive. And to Fernando... to resist the Mercs for as long as he did. Enthralling stuff. Disappointed for Williams, but they were never going to feature at a track that doesn't suit the characteristics of their car. Next two races after the Summer break will be more their domain.

Roll on Spa (Aug 24th!)

Beautiful track one of the prettiest ever.

but a months wait, eeeeeeeeuk

 

[vinodh]

And Lewis proved again that he's a d00s by putting himself in front of the team.

What a w.anker

Bull****. Rosberg hung around behind him like he wanted a handout and was never really close enough for Lewis to let him by with minimum time loss.

Rosberg also was useless behind Verne and couldn't overtake him. Lewis showed him how it should be done.

Bottom line: Rosberg was not decisive in his overtaking and got nailed by a guys in slower cars. Lewis is just an easy target to lay the blame on.

 

[satanboy]

Bull****. Rosberg hung around behind him like he wanted a handout and was never really close enough for Lewis to let him by with minimum time loss.

Rosberg also was useless behind Verne and couldn't overtake him. Lewis showed him how it should be done.

Bottom line: Rosberg was not decisive in his overtaking and got nailed by a guys in slower cars. Lewis is just an easy target to lay the blame on.

I support Rosberg and agree with above (although there may have been something wrong with Rosberg's brakes after the 1st pit stop).

 

[AR_GTR]

Bull****. Rosberg hung around behind him like he wanted a handout and was never really close enough for Lewis to let him by with minimum time loss.

Rosberg also was useless behind Verne and couldn't overtake him. Lewis showed him how it should be done.

Bottom line: Rosberg was not decisive in his overtaking and got nailed by a guys in slower cars. Lewis is just an easy target to lay the blame on.

Rosberg was playing the long game, it was obvious when he was letting cars past without putting up much of a fight.

He was never close enough to Lewis because he wasn't intending on fighting him so didn't want to close up, they were on different strategies and he expected the team to be managed

 

[sand_man]

All Rosberg needed to do was get close enough to overtake and Hamilton would have let him. Hamilton wasn't going to slow down and he shouldn't have had to.

 

[Polish]

Lewis still a d00s

 

[thestaggy]

Dump the orange and you have a winner.

 

[vinodh]

Lewis still a d00s

Being a nice guy won't win you championships. Schumacher, Prost, Vettel, Senna, Alonso etc did not make too many friends on their way to their championships. Hopefully Ricciardo becomes champion one day but doesn't turn into a d00s along the way.

 

[TehStranger]

What an incredible race, a bit of water and a crash or six goes a long way to making things exciting.

Riccardo is a talent that keeps outshining his teammate, so glad he had the win on the day. I'm looking forward to many more years of him fighting for podiums.
Alonso is the best driver currently in F1, dragging a Ferrari that has no business being on the podium up to second place.
I don't like Hamilton, never have and never will, but he drove a very good race, and for that he has my respect.
Rosberg didn't drive decisively enough, and lost out to Hamilton as a result. I hope the boy wakes up and finds the ruthlessness needed to be a world champion. He has it in him, and this is his year to lose.

 

[JerryMungo]

And Lewis proved again that he's a d00s by putting himself in front of the team.

What a w.anker

Rosberg couldn't even get close enough to overtake - there is no way Lewis was holding him up.
Besides, Lewis been given a dud car how many times this season, and now he must hand points to his team mate as well?
He did the absolute right thing for F1 and racing.
If he'd just gone in for his tyres earlier and quit hanging back, he would have taken Hamilton fair and square at the end.... he never had the legs to take Alonso or Ricciardo IMO.

Bottom line is Hamilton pwned him fair and square with a massive handicap to start with. Like him or not, he was the better driver on the day. That's twice he's had to really show what he's made of. Rosberg on the other hand threw away an opportunity from pole.

Same for Vettel and Ricciardo.
My 5c

 

[Polish]

Being a nice guy won't win you championships. Schumacher, Prost, Vettel, Senna, Alonso etc did not make too many friends on their way to their championships. Hopefully Ricciardo becomes champion one day but doesn't turn into a d00s along the way.

Noted and fair enough.

But you don't disregard team orders. That's just my view.

 

[AR_GTR]

Rosberg couldn't even get close enough to overtake - there is no way Lewis was holding him up.
Besides, Lewis been given a dud car how many times this season, and now he must hand points to his team mate as well?
He did the absolute right thing for F1 and racing.
If he'd just gone in for his tyres earlier and quit hanging back, he would have taken Hamilton fair and square at the end.... he never had the legs to take Alonso or Ricciardo IMO.

Bottom line is Hamilton pwned him fair and square with a massive handicap to start with. Like him or not, he was the better driver on the day. That's twice he's had to really show what he's made of. Rosberg on the other hand threw away an opportunity from pole.

Same for Vettel and Ricciardo.
My 5c

Actually, was watching a bit where they had the print out of the lap times.

The data indicates that he was held up for 10 laps, he was lapping mid 27s until he hit Lewis then it was 28s, Lewis was lapping 28s prior to Nico catching him. Nico knows he has the car and didn't want to risk tangling with Lewis, or Jev earlier in the race for that matter

The time lost while Lewis was being bigger than the team, would have meant second for Nico, Ricciardo would have still been too quick even with 10 laps in free air.

http://184.106.145.74/f1-championsh...4_11_HUN_F1_R0_Timing_RaceLapAnalysis_V01.pdf

 

[SirFooK'nG]

I'm no big fan of Lewis, but if I was in his shoes I would have done the same thing. He was racing for second place, big points. Screw giving that up.... Also, I don't watch F1 to watch drivers let others pass them bye without earning the position with skill and determination.

 

[HapticSimian]

Noted and fair enough.

But you don't disregard team orders. That's just my view.

If you have any self respect, and you're being given daft orders, you absolutely do. There's a difference between a driver being made aware of a situation he might not fully grasp in the heat of the moment, and a driver being asked to compromise his own race and championship without due cause.

 

[craigdoepie]

If you have any self respect, and you're being given daft orders, you absolutely do. There's a difference between a driver being made aware of a situation he might not fully grasp in the heat of the moment, and a driver being asked to compromise his own race and championship without due cause.

From what I saw, Nico was close to Hamilton at some point during the race and asked Hamilton to give way. But don't think Roseberg made any attempt to overtake. After another few laps went by, he (Nico) backed off or lost some time and believe Hamilton was right not to slow down and let Nico pass.

As many people mentioned, I also don't Hamilton. But you fighting for the Championship, don't expect it to be handed on a silver platter. Show some intent that you want to pass and I personally think Nico didn't even make an effort

 

[Polish]

Some more on the matter.

Lewis Hamilton says he was stunned Mercedes asked him to move aside for Nico Rosberg during the Hungarian Grand Prix considering the fact the pair are currently fighting for the title.

During a supreme drive Hamilton went from the pit lane to third, though his chance of victory slipped away in the end on worn medium tyres behind Fernando Alonso. Nico Rosberg had been caught out by the original safety car period and eventually fell behind Hamilton, albeit on a three-stop strategy to his team-mate's two stop.

Hamilton was asked to let Rosberg through when his team-mate got within a second of him, but told Mercedes in reply: "I'm not slowing down for Nico. If he gets close enough to overtake, he can overtake". Rosberg stayed behind for eight laps before pitting but Hamilton says he should not have been asked to move over.

"If I'd let him past he would have beaten me," Hamilton said. "Also, I would have lost points to Nico. Obviously I was in the same race as him, just because he had one more stop than me doesn't mean I wasn't in the same race. He would have had the opportunity to pull away and then I thought he would come back and overtake me.

"I was very, very shocked that the team would ask me to do that. He didn't get close enough to overtake, I was not going to lift off and lose ground to Fernando [Alonso] or Daniel [Ricciardo], so it was a bit strange.

"I'm not quite sure what the situation was there. I'll go and talk to everyone and give them the benefit of the doubt, I'm sure it was perhaps for the right reasons. Ultimately I would have lost points today so it definitely feels strange, but I think it was the right decision for myself [to ignore the order]."

Hamilton says beating Rosberg on track and limiting the gap in the drivers' championship makes up for some of the pain of not winning the race at the end.

Mercedes will sit down with its drivers to discuss team orders following the controversy surrounding the decision to ask Lewis Hamilton to move over for title rival Nico Rosberg in Hungary.

Towards the end of the race as Rosberg, on a three-stop strategy and on soft tyres, closed up on Hamilton, who had completed his final stop and was on the medium tyre, Mercedes asked the latter to move over due to their differing strategies. Hamilton defied the call, saying Rosberg was not close enough and arguing he should not be expected to move over for a title rival.

Mercedes boss Toto Wolff says he understands why Hamilton did not want to yield and admits the title fight means the situation between the drivers had changed since the start of the season.

"We will not have that situation again because we will try to learn," said Wolff. "I don't want to play the vicious general and demand that they obey the rules. I could have gone on the radio or Paddy [Lowe] could but we didn't because it was difficult to judge what to expect at that race.

"Maybe what we decided at the beginning of the season doesn't function any more but we cannot ask either driver to give up positions or jeopardise their own championship chances for the benefit of the team. The longer the season gets the more intense it gets and the more difficult it gets to beat your team-mate.

"It is getting intense between the two and it is clear that they are direct competitors for the world championship and in that situation when you have DNF'd twice in a car which is not reliable enough ... we need to sit down and discuss it."

Wolff is convinced Rosberg would have won the race had he been released by Hamilton when asked.

http://en.espnf1.com

 

[OGroteKoning]

I'm no big fan of Lewis, but if I was in his shoes I would have done the same thing. He was racing for second place, big points. Screw giving that up.... Also, I don't watch F1 to watch drivers let others pass them bye without earning the position with skill and determination.

Have to agree. It is called "racing" for a reason.

 

[JerryMungo]

Noted and fair enough.

But you don't disregard team orders. That's just my view.

Unless you're Michael, Vettel, Hamilton, Kimi or Alonso... I see a pattern

 

[JerryMungo]

Maybe what we decided at the beginning of the season doesn't function any more but we cannot ask either driver to give up positions or jeopardise their own championship chances for the benefit of the team. The longer the season gets the more intense it gets and the more difficult it gets to beat your team-mate.

"It is getting intense between the two and it is clear that they are direct competitors for the world championship and in that situation when you have DNF'd twice in a car which is not reliable enough ... we need to sit down and discuss it."

Hopefully he's suggesting what I think he is - Hamilton couldn't be expected to give up points when the team has given him a car that has DNF'd twice (apart from the times it's bailed during quali)

Wolff is convinced Rosberg would have won the race had he been released by Hamilton when asked.

No kidding lol. And for good reason. Hamilton had to play a risky strategy with one less stop. At the same time, Rosberg could have come in two laps earlier and still done it instead of asking for the position. But why should he not race his team mate when there's all to play for the championship.

Bottom line is Hamilton fought harder for what he got and deserved it. They need to remember their Hamilton and British supporters and forget this German national nonsense.