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Speedster said:
We've got a two week hiatus before the next race. Boohoo

Anyway, I'm confused by how many of the F1 media/pundits/fans are upset at how the race ended yesterday. After Abu Dhabi they were upset that the race director used his initiative to not have the race end under a safety car and now they're upset that the race director let the race end under a safety car. Surely you can't be upset about both?
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Or even worse. The LH fans now saying how could they do LH the dirty but "give" this race to Max.
If yesterdays moaners are unhappy they should go speak to Toto.
 
Speedster said:
We've got a two week hiatus before the next race. Boohoo

Anyway, I'm confused by how many of the F1 media/pundits/fans are upset at how the race ended yesterday. After Abu Dhabi they were upset that the race director used his initiative to not have the race end under a safety car and now they're upset that the race director let the race end under a safety car. Surely you can't be upset about both?
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Flip-flop...unhappy Hamilton never won last year, and now that he's pretty useless this year, they've swopped to Le Clerc and are unhappy he never won at Monza this year.
Hypocrites will hypocrite.../sic
 
Speedster said:
We've got a two week hiatus before the next race. Boohoo

Anyway, I'm confused by how many of the F1 media/pundits/fans are upset at how the race ended yesterday. After Abu Dhabi they were upset that the race director used his initiative to not have the race end under a safety car and now they're upset that the race director let the race end under a safety car. Surely you can't be upset about both?
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Fans will always be unhappy

I think all we want is consistency, discretion opens up the championship to calls of favouritism. There was no time / light pressure on the race yesterday so red flagging and restarting was an option
 
Speedster said:
We've got a two week hiatus before the next race. Boohoo

Anyway, I'm confused by how many of the F1 media/pundits/fans are upset at how the race ended yesterday. After Abu Dhabi they were upset that the race director used his initiative to not have the race end under a safety car and now they're upset that the race director let the race end under a safety car. Surely you can't be upset about both?
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I made this exact point on Twitter yesterday and SkyF1 were SO whiney about it. They all called for rules last year. Yesterday, the race ending was boring because the rules were followed. Yet they're still not happy.

Well, only the FIA can amend the rules for the future to avoid a repeat, but the rules were followed and THAT is what was called for. Even Toto said "the rules were followed at least" yesterday.
 
The balls up yesterday came with the Safety Car. Firstly, why did it take so long to go from yellows to safety car. Then, why did the safety car only come out almost 2 laps later and in so doing, NOT pick up the leader? There was definitely time/lap wastage - could've restarted for the final lap had it not been for that.

I understand the frustration for the Italian fans at the track yesterday. They paid good money, only for it to end like that. I don't condone the boo'ing though - the end had nothing to do with Max and Red Bull.

Max would've handled a rolling restart easily as he probably would have only launched just before the start/finish line and then there would be no DRS for Charles to have a chance anywhere on the track. He earned that win. The optics of the race end were sub optimal.
 
FlashSA said:
The balls up yesterday came with the Safety Car. Firstly, why did it take so long to go from yellows to safety car. Then, why did the safety car only come out almost 2 laps later and in so doing, NOT pick up the leader? There was definitely time/lap wastage - could've restarted for the final lap had it not been for that.
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Safety car driver sleeping :P
 
The real talking point should be Danny Ricciardo's antics signalling his intent to take Latifi's job...
 
FlashSA said:
The balls up yesterday came with the Safety Car. Firstly, why did it take so long to go from yellows to safety car. Then, why did the safety car only come out almost 2 laps later and in so doing, NOT pick up the leader? There was definitely time/lap wastage - could've restarted for the final lap had it not been for that.

I understand the frustration for the Italian fans at the track yesterday. They paid good money, only for it to end like that. I don't condone the boo'ing though - the end had nothing to do with Max and Red Bull.

Max would've handled a rolling restart easily as he probably would have only launched just before the start/finish line and then there would be no DRS for Charles to have a chance anywhere on the track. He earned that win. The optics of the race end were sub optimal.
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Plus Max was on new softs while Charles was on scrubbed softs
 
OhYeah84 said:
Flip-flop...unhappy Hamilton never won last year, and now that he's pretty useless this year, they've swopped to Le Clerc and are unhappy he never won at Monza this year.
Hypocrites will hypocrite.../sic
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Not really. If rules weren't followed last year and suddenly they are this year you can understand why people are confused. That's on the FIA not the fans and supporters.
 
quovadis said:
Not really. If rules weren't followed last year and suddenly they are this year you can understand why people are confused. That's on the FIA not the fans and supporters.
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Or discretion was used last year (after agreement by all that they don't want races to finish under a SC) and tantrums were thrown. New guy kept strictly to the rules. What's there to be confused about?
 
Speedster said:
We've got a two week hiatus before the next race. Boohoo

Anyway, I'm confused by how many of the F1 media/pundits/fans are upset at how the race ended yesterday. After Abu Dhabi they were upset that the race director used his initiative to not have the race end under a safety car and now they're upset that the race director let the race end under a safety car. Surely you can't be upset about both?
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The reason that so many were upset about the ending is because it was unimanually agreed, by all teams, during the FIA debrief/coverup of last years farce that in future if a safety car in needed in the closing laps of the race the race should be red flagged then finished from a standing start and at least 2 racing laps.

It would probably have made no difference to the race result, yesterday as Max had new softs, but it would have led to an exciting finish rather than another botched FIA procession.

What is the point of holding the hearings if the FIA then ignore the findings?
 
Speedster said:
Or discretion was used last year (after agreement by all that they don't want races to finish under a SC) and tantrums were thrown. New guy kept strictly to the rules. What's there to be confused about?
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Similar to how you've reconciled the preference to end under racing being an actual rule and license to ignore the sporting code the fans are booing Max as they cannot reconcile how a team and driver benefit from the same scenario without any repercussions in either.
 
caroper said:
The reason that so many were upset about the ending is because it was unimanually agreed, by all teams, during the FIA debrief/coverup of last years farce that in future if a safety car in needed in the closing laps of the race the race should be red flagged then finished from a standing start and at least 2 racing laps.

It would probably have made no difference to the race result, yesterday as Max had new softs, but it would have led to an exciting finish rather than another botched FIA procession.

What is the point of holding the hearings if the FIA then ignore the findings?
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Source for this? The only comment I saw was for Siedl who said that they weren't able to agree on a different arrangement so they unanimously agreed to keep the status quo.
 
quovadis said:
Similar to how you've reconciled the preference to end under racing being an actual rule and license to ignore the sporting code the fans are booing Max as they cannot reconcile how a team and driver benefit from the same scenario without any repercussions in either.
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Amazing how the Max haters on this thread find ways to blame him for decisions he had no part of. I would've loved a one-lap showdown and listening to the drivers / team-principal most of them would have too. My point is you can't be upset that discretion was used last year and also be upset that it wasn't this time. Pick one.
 
Speedster said:
We've got a two week hiatus before the next race. Boohoo

Anyway, I'm confused by how many of the F1 media/pundits/fans are upset at how the race ended yesterday. After Abu Dhabi they were upset that the race director used his initiative to not have the race end under a safety car and now they're upset that the race director let the race end under a safety car. Surely you can't be upset about both?
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The same pundits? Sources pls.
 
Speedster said:
Amazing how the Max haters on this thread find ways to blame him for decisions he had no part of. I would've loved a one-lap showdown and listening to the drivers / team-principal most of them would have too. My point is you can't be upset that discretion was used last year and also be upset that it wasn't this time. Pick one.
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Amazing how you resort to labeling. A preference is not a rule. An agreement or even a race directors notes cannot override sporting code - are you forgetting the ruling that benefitted RB regarding sporting code?

The confusion exists for the very reason you expect people to reconcile discretion with enforcement.
 
quovadis said:
Amazing how you resort to labeling. A preference is not a rule. An agreement or even a race directors notes cannot override sporting code - are you forgetting the ruling that benefitted RB regarding sporting code?

The confusion exists for the very reason you expect people to reconcile discretion with enforcement.
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So what should then have happened yesterday?
 
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