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quovadis
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Red Bull budget cap breach 'constitutes cheating' - McLaren boss Zak Brown
McLaren boss Zak Brown writes a letter to F1's governing body saying Red Bull breaking the budget cap "constitutes cheating".
www.bbc.com
Well it has been a week now with no further News from FIA, Red Bull or FOM in general.
If it is taking this long for the FIA to weave the Carpet there must be a lot of Dirt to sweep under it.
They are probably hoping that the Austin Race will take the fans minds off it, but on the contrary, I think more people are beginning to suspect cheating the longer we have silence on the issue.
RBR have already lost face, FIA is beginning to and American Media can be a lot more vocal.
If it is taking this long for the FIA to weave the Carpet there must be a lot of Dirt to sweep under it.
They are probably hoping that the Austin Race will take the fans minds off it, but on the contrary, I think more people are beginning to suspect cheating the longer we have silence on the issue.
RBR have already lost face, FIA is beginning to and American Media can be a lot more vocal.
From a marketing perspective, there's no right answer here, I think that's why it's taking long.
They can't strip Max of the title or anything severe like that. Would cause an uprising.
They can't do nothing.
A fine just comes across as a slap on the wrist.
The only real penalty they could apply that would have any value would be something which affects the 2023 season. Reduced CFD hours, limited budget, those sorts of things.
But to the lay fan (a large proportion of which are new American fans), those won't mean much at all.
They can't strip Max of the title or anything severe like that. Would cause an uprising.
They can't do nothing.
A fine just comes across as a slap on the wrist.
The only real penalty they could apply that would have any value would be something which affects the 2023 season. Reduced CFD hours, limited budget, those sorts of things.
But to the lay fan (a large proportion of which are new American fans), those won't mean much at all.
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Dave
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Hit them with 100 points deduction from this year's constructors championship and no wind tunnel for three years, it has got to hurt the team.
Jirre that would be rough. They'd take it straight to court I reckon. But yes, something drastic like that so teams realize these aren't guidelines.
Speedster
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Part of the problem is the regulations differentiate between minor and major breaches. If one goes too hard on minor breaches it doesn't leave any room for increased punishments on major breaches. FIA really just should have specified punishments upfront. They can't win whichever way they go now.
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A major breach should equate to being disqualified. This RBR breach of true, should absolutely strip Verstappen of his title last year and their should be a massive penalty for this year too.
But keep in mind, these are powerful people backed by companies with unlimited resources. This will head straight to court and the damage to F1 as a whole will far outweigh this situation in the long run. The best outcome therefore will be that there are lessons learned and better, clearer auditing and guidelines moving forward.
Liberty Media, Drive to Survive, and starting with the Ferrari Fuel flow coverup, the FIA's rule manipulation and subsequent lack of transparency killed F1.
This fiasco is just another of its death throes, so long F1 Heritage and Viva Las Vegas.
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Mike Hoxbig
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The problem is the punishment wasn't stipulated at the time the offence was committed. RB would argue they had no idea of the severity of the offence as it wasn't defined, and would be unfair to apply any punishment retrospectively.
There was a loophole and they found it.
Blame the FIA for having their regulations drafted by a child. They constantly find themselves backed into a corner through no other fault than their own...
Dave
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But it was afaik, a minor overspend punishment is as follows, so hit them in the constructors with a big point deduction and no aero testing is within the punishments allowed.
The potential consequences for a 'minor' breach are a financial penalty and/or minor sporting penalty, and are as follows:
- A fine in an amount to be determined on a case by case basis
- A public reprimand
- A deduction of Constructors' Championship points awarded
- A deduction of Drivers' Championship points awarded
- Suspension from one or more stages of a competition
- Limitations on ability to conduct aerodynamic or other testing; and/or reduction of the cost cap
Mike Hoxbig
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They're probably going to save face by going with a public reprimand.
I would probably go with constructors points deductions last year and this year. Otherwise it starts getting messy if it's applied to the drivers championship. Possibly also suspension from a few races next year.
That would send a clear message while keeping it relatively clean.
I don't think aero testing will impact them much, their car is already so far ahead...
The only things that would carry much weight here would be a public reprimand and limitations.
They'd have to remove over 200 points for it to have any effect on the standings last year. Unless they apply it to this year but I don't see them doing that. And deducting it from Max would be really crappy now.
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I reckon they'll just pull out of F1 should that happen. Max probably has an early out clause in his contract as well and has said on numerous occasions he might be done with F1 when the contract is over/2028.
You'll hurt F1 more I think.
What is wrong with reducing their constructor's points proportionally and reducing their budget for the coming year by overspend + a % penalty?
It's not exactly on the level of faking fuel tank volume and burning engine oil along with your.
quovadis
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Too much cash involved to ever consider pulling out now especially considering the barrier to entry is so high now. Pretty sure just participating is extremely lucrative even if not competitive.
Dave
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Constructors for this year, pointless messing with last year now.
Drivers would be too much mess, last year or this year. Leave that as is.
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RBR is a team, and Max having a superior car gave him the tools he needed to win. This he should be equally penalised.
I like the idea of them having double the amount they were over being deducted from next years cap. That will send a strong message. And of course for Max to hand over last years trophy to its rightful owner, Hamilton.
quovadis
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Reducing all driver and constructor points by double the excess percentage and the same for future budget caps for the next two years would be enough of a deterrent. Major breach should be the above plus disqualification.
quovadis
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I disagree - many athletes have had their medals and championships stripped. Why should F1 be any different?
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