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If Haas are dumping Mick Schumacher, that's really hard on the youngster.
Haas had a trash car last year. Back of the grid, yet he managed to out-qualify, out-pace and out-finish his Russkie team mate.
Essentially he has had a fair car this year and has shown improvement. Now they're showing him the door. And if Hulkenberg comes in and can do no better? Then what?
 
If Haas are dumping Mick Schumacher, that's really hard on the youngster.
Haas had a trash car last year. Back of the grid, yet he managed to out-qualify, out-pace and out-finish his Russkie team mate.
Essentially he has had a fair car this year and has shown improvement. Now they're showing him the door. And if Hulkenberg comes in and can do no better? Then what?
Why is the F1 world so in love with Hulkenberg?

****, Id almost rather have Latifi in my car, atleast he brings excitement.
Hulk - never scored a podium, Barely made an impact in the midfield.
No one has mentioned about how he can help develop a car, Whats the big deal about him?
 
Why is the F1 world so in love with Hulkenberg?

****, Id almost rather have Latifi in my car, atleast he brings excitement.
Hulk - never scored a podium, Barely made an impact in the midfield.
No one has mentioned about how he can help develop a car, Whats the big deal about him?
Well, precisely. If Haas were competitive last year and this year, then I'd tend to agree with them dumping Mick. They sucked last year (only ended up higher than Williams because they sucked even more) and never developed the 2020 car at all for 2021. So he suffered there and they kept on telling him it was a learning experience.
Guess what? Didn't take them too long in 2022 to start with the rumours they were going to dump him.
 
Why is the F1 world so in love with Hulkenberg?

****, Id almost rather have Latifi in my car, atleast he brings excitement.
Hulk - never scored a podium, Barely made an impact in the midfield.
No one has mentioned about how he can help develop a car, Whats the big deal about him?
Minus the Latifi comment, I agree with what you've said here. From memory, I don't remember Hulk making nearly as big an impact as De Vries when asked to jump into a new/strange/different car.
 
Why is the F1 world so in love with Hulkenberg?

****, Id almost rather have Latifi in my car, atleast he brings excitement.
Hulk - never scored a podium, Barely made an impact in the midfield.
No one has mentioned about how he can help develop a car, Whats the big deal about him?
I wouldn't have Latifi in my car, I'd have him in a car. Excitement is all good until you have to pay for repairs and damages...
 
Maybe it would be best for Schumacher if he is out and maybe can get a test/reverse driver seat at a better team.
Haas is a joke, to think they sign two 30 year plus drivers that both had never showed much potential. Its as if they just want to be consistent at being at the back.
Schumacher was better than Magnussen in the second half of the season. He is not his dad, but I think he would be a great second driver at one of the big teams, he just needs a predictable car.
 

For once, let's hope that the claim that, 'what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas', proves true, for if F1 gets its way, and next year's Grand Prix is a success many fans could find themselves priced out of the sport.

Ahead of Saturday's Launch Party on the Las Vegas Strip, such were the screams from the crowd that there was a danger of the F1 engines being drowned out.

To whet the appetites, F1 had some star names on board for the demo runs, and those names don't get much bigger than seven-time world champion, Lewis Hamilton.

Usually, Hamilton shuns such events, but whether he was under the orders of Mercedes or F1, or simply keen to make the most of the ongoing 'fan frenzy', the Briton was there to lend his support.

Also present were George Russell, Sergio Perez and Alex Albon, while The Killers provided the musical entertainment in much the same way that the Circuit of the Americas had to rely on the likes of Taylor Swift to put bums on the seats in the early days.

While F1 was joint promoter of the Miami Grand Prix, in Vegas it is entirely in charge of the show. Indeed, it has such faith in the project that it has splashed out $240m for a 39 acre slice of land which the pits and paddock will occupy on race weekend but for the rest of the year will be used as an entertainment complex aimed at further promoting the sport.

Due to its investment in the project, Liberty Media is pulling out all the stops in its determination to capitalise on the growing interest in F1, particularly in the States.

However, what is happening in Vegas should send out alarm bells, particularly to those fans who were aware of the sport prior to 2019, those heady days, pre the pandemic lockdowns when many had yet to discover Drive to Survive.

At a time when fans in the UK are still recovering from the shock of ticket prices for next year's British Grand Prix and the use of 'dynamic pricing' to raise prices (almost instantly) according to demand, spare a thought for those wishing to attend next May's event in Vegas.

General admission, that is standing room, is $500 (£440) for a three-day ticket, while (3-day) grandstand seats start at $2,000 (£1,760) . Shared hospitality is $10,000 (£8,800) while Paddock Club prices are not currently available, and when they are it will probably be best to have a defibrillator handy.

That's the tickets sorted, but what of hotels?

Well, Caesars Palace, of Car Park Grand Prix fame is charging $19,000 (£16,700) a night for a suite, while rooms not even on the Strip, are going for $600 (£530) a night.

Worryingly, many hotels are already fully booked, including The Strat, Cosmopolitan, and the Wynn.

"It's getting more and more expensive and less accessible to go to our events, and I wouldn't think that is a good thing," noted Hamilton, without a hint of irony.

"Formula One has a certain positioning with regard to the kind of sport it is," said F1 CEO, Stefano Domenicali. "We are going to deliver the greatest spectacle in the world as a statement of F1. That needs to be recognized and in terms of price positioning we are going to be on the top side because this is Las Vegas and that is the nature of the customer coming to Las Vegas.

"There will be possibilities for people who want to pay less, to spend less," he added. "As always in life, it is the market pulling the price and then on our side is the responsibility to bring a great event."

"Given it is our race as a promoter, we want to make it a showcase of what can be done at all the races," said Greg Maffei, a comment that should chill the bones of fans and promoters.

"We want to capitalize on the fan interest, which is enormous in the US, the demand is massive," he added.

"Both for us as a company, this will be the largest race in terms of revenues. It will also be the most expensive race in terms of costs. That's the nature of the event, the scale, and the nature of Vegas.

"We will try to create economic choices for fans, not all fans can pay the top dollar, we understand. This is an expensive place to operate and we'll try to take advantage of the great things Vegas has to offer."

"What we want to create is to have different races with different personality, with different characteristics, with different fans, with different price points, with different expectations," added Domenicali. "If all Grand Prix's were equal, it wouldn't be what we wanted. I think what we're going to present to our fans in Vegas will be unique and in the US we are just scratching the surface of what we can do."

Meanwhile, the sorry situation was best summed up by Albon, who said he had been approached by a fan, who declared: "You're that Netflix guy!"

"They don't even know my name," said the Williams driver.
 
Superbird70 said:
By 2026 F1 will be a truly global sport with 14 races in the Americas, and a further 10 scattered in the Middle East.
This line is what scares me:
Meanwhile, the sorry situation was best summed up by Albon, who said he had been approached by a fan, who declared: "You're that Netflix guy!" "They don't even know my name," said the Williams driver.
 
If Haas are dumping Mick Schumacher, that's really hard on the youngster.
Haas had a trash car last year. Back of the grid, yet he managed to out-qualify, out-pace and out-finish his Russkie team mate.
Essentially he has had a fair car this year and has shown improvement. Now they're showing him the door. And if Hulkenberg comes in and can do no better? Then what?

Simply put, he is a financial strain on the team because of his errors and heavy crashes. Both Gene and Guenther have called him out publicly.

Comment from Gene Haas last month -

"I think Mick has got a lot of potential, but you know he costs a fortune and he’s wrecked a lot of cars that have cost us a lot of money that we just don’t have," Haas told the Associated Press.

"Now, if you bring us some points, and you are [Max] Verstappen [winning races] and you wreck cars, we’ll deal with it.

"But when you are in the back and you wreck cars, that’s very difficult.

Comment from Guenther Steiner following his crash in Monaco where he split the car in half -

“It’s just not possible to continue like this,” Steiner said as per Motorsport.com, “and he knows that.

“He’s also crashing into a wall at some stage. It’s also not healthy.

“Obviously he wants to score points, and if you crash into the wall, you don’t score points

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Unfortunately for Haas, the crash along with the driver’s Saudi Arabian qualifying shunt meant they have now exceeded their repair budget for this season.

Steiner, though, didn’t lecture Schumacher about that as the driver is well aware of the cost of his accidents.

“We have passed that allowance, we passed that in Jeddah,” said the Italian. “We are in front of the allowance, I would love to be in front of how many points we scored, but we are in front of the allowance for crashes.

“We spoke about it, but I don’t go into explaining him how much or how I need to run the team.

“He reads what you guys write, so he comes to me and asks is it really this amount of money? I said, I don’t know, because I haven’t said it. So you it’s an estimation, but yes, it is this amount of money.”

He isn't bringing in the results nor the money to offset the strain he places on them.
 
Simply put, he is a financial strain on the team because of his errors and heavy crashes. Both Gene and Guenther have called him out publicly.

Comment from Gene Haas last month -



Comment from Guenther Steiner following his crash in Monaco where he split the car in half -



He isn't bringing in the results nor the money to offset the strain he places on them.
To be fair on the drivers, neither Guenther nor their tech team have given these guys a decent car. They've made progress but it's still a rubbish car by comparison. There's only so much a driver can do with a car that's a dog to drive.
 
To be fair on the drivers, neither Guenther nor their tech team have given these guys a decent car. They've made progress but it's still a rubbish car by comparison. There's only so much a driver can do with a car that's a dog to drive.
Agreed - the drivers are making do with what they've been given. For a very brief moment at the beginning of the season there was reason to be optimistic. It's fair to say though they've made a better car this year even if only based on the current constructors standings.
 
To be fair on the drivers, neither Guenther nor their tech team have given these guys a decent car. They've made progress but it's still a rubbish car by comparison. There's only so much a driver can do with a car that's a dog to drive.

He incurred more crash damage costs than any other driver in 2021, including more than Nikita Mazepin.

Mazepin - US$2,785,582
Mick - US$4,754,564

He once again leads the Destructor's Championship in 2022. He has destroyed two cars this year (Saudi and Monaco) and critically this time, he has incurred US$3,272,000 in damages vs Magnussen's US$125,000.


There is no way to excuse it, he is a liability for Haas. The fact that he was costlier than Mazepin and infinitely more costlier than KMag is doing him zero favours.
 
Mick is a Ferrari Academy driver who drives for Hass as part of the PU deal.

If it is not economical for Hass to keep him then it is up to Ferrari to to either make it beneficial to Hass or to find their driver a new seat.

Micks career is in Ferrari's hands not Hass.
 
He incurred more crash damage costs than any other driver in 2021, including more than Nikita Mazepin.

Mazepin - US$2,785,582
Mick - US$4,754,564

He once again leads the Destructor's Championship in 2022. He has destroyed two cars this year (Saudi and Monaco) and critically this time, he has incurred US$3,272,000 in damages vs Magnussen's US$125,000.


There is no way to excuse it, he is a liability for Haas. The fact that he was costlier than Mazepin and infinitely more costlier than KMag is doing him zero favours.
Well he's in good company

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