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Dave said:
Would Honda be happy with that idea?
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Come to think of it, why would they want to? They're aiming to enter F1 under new engine regulations and Porsche knows a thing or two about building racing engines.
 
Messugga said:
Come to think of it, why would they want to? They're aiming to enter F1 under new engine regulations and Porsche knows a thing or two about building racing engines.
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That's true for the facts as now known. The speculation under discussion was around the pre-2026 seasons and Porsche possibly wanting to rebadge Honda IP.
 
Dave said:
That's true for the facts as now known. The speculation under discussion was around the pre-2026 seasons and Porsche possibly wanting to rebadge Honda IP.
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Well, as of early May the CEO of VW said Audi and Porsche are only entering F1 in 2026, so doesn't sound like that's quite on the cards. Maybe this purchase of Red Bull is getting their foot in the door, starting the setting up of contracts, vendor relationships, etc.
 
Messugga said:
Well, as of early May the CEO of VW said Audi and Porsche are only entering F1 in 2026, so doesn't sound like that's quite on the cards. Maybe this purchase of Red Bull is getting their foot in the door, starting the setting up of contracts, vendor relationships, etc.
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I think it all leads back to this (clickbait, it seems) that was posted earlier.

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Dave said:
I think it all leads back to this (clickbait, it seems) that was posted earlier.

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Yeah sure, but I suppose it comes down to what is meant by "entering F1". Do they mean actively participating? What are they doing in the interim then? Anyway, suppose we'll see. I doubt things will change by anything noticible in the next few months or even this season.
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
RB doesn't supply engines, and Porsche doesn't manufacture an F1 engine...
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RB supply engines to Alpha Tauri effectively, and Porsche will most likely make engines. Unless they're simply going to buy RBR and use their power train division.
But I am sure they will have something to do with those engines. Makes sense to get involved with that technology and bring some or all of it to their road cars.
 
The Door said:
That it's a conflict of interest? Why is that hard to comprehend? LMAO
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What are the competing interests that are conflicting? Just because there are two brands involved doesn't necessarily mean their interests are at conflict
 
The Door said:
They are both in it to win money with equipment designed by one. How's it an issue to comprehend?
One gets a head start on the other.
Just look at works vs customer teams and then tell me it's a level field. If customers can't innovate without being regulated to death they're always going to be slot fillers.
Budget cutting is an attempt to make it look better. It has no real effect on the outcome since works teams can design to suit themselves.
Now if all F1 teams buy from manufacturers who don't compete.... Or all F1 teams are manufacturers.... Or regulations are eased to allow them to innovate ...
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I don't quite get your train of thougt. If there is agreement about the roles there needn't be any conflict of interest. A conflict of interest would arise if say one party was heavily invested in electric while the other wanted to push towards renewable fuel. Two interests that conflict.

Joint ventures happen all the time in business where companies join with others to pursue a combined interest.
 
The Door said:
That it's a conflict of interest? Why is that hard to comprehend? LMAO
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Merc supply engines to AMR. Not sure what else mechanically. Other than that, no influence and no conflict either.
Merc supply the V8 engines to the AM road cars as well.
 
The Door said:
It seems people just can't picture the scenarios.
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Conflict of interest: A conflict of interest occurs when an entity or individual becomes unreliable because of a clash between personal (or self-serving) interests and professional duties or responsibilities.

Merc sell engines to them. They do not provide any technical assistance with getting performance out of them. They do not have a Merc F1 engineer sitting in a McLaren, Williams or AMR garage at all, or have someone running back to Toto in order to ensure the Merc engines are running at full capacity.

It's a simple method of selling technology. Same as Merc providing engines to Pagani, or Aston Martin for their V8-powered cars.
 
The Door said:
Whatever lol
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Brown comments on concerns over conflict of interest in Formula 1

An open letter from McLaren CEO Zak Brown caused a stir in the Formula 1 world last week. The American called for anonymous voting for teams in order to tackle alleged conflicts of interest and influence between teams. In a new interview Brown explains his position in more detail.
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Works teams will always have an advantage and will exercise undue influence.
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When did we jump to works vs client teams? I thought we were on Merc owning a part of Aston Martin, Porsche potentially partnering with Honda for their IP etc
 
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Speedster said:
When did we jump to works vs client teams? I thought we were on Merc owning a part of Alfa, Porsche potentially partnering with Honda for their IP etc
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Since when did Merc own part of Alfa? Alfa uses Ferrari engines.
 
The Door said:
They are both in it to win money with equipment designed by one. How's it an issue to comprehend?
One gets a head start on the other.
Just look at works vs customer teams and then tell me it's a level field. If customers can't innovate without being regulated to death they're always going to be slot fillers.
Budget cutting is an attempt to make it look better. It has no real effect on the outcome since works teams can design to suit themselves.
Now if all F1 teams buy from manufacturers who don't compete.... Or all F1 teams are manufacturers.... Or regulations are eased to allow them to innovate ...
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This is how the entire world works. You set up appropriate contracts with your partners and off you go. Feck sakes, tech giants have been doing it for years, banks in SA do it today. Car manufacturers have been doing it since almost the very start.

But whatever.
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Messugga said:
This is how the entire world works. You set up appropriate contracts with your partners and off you go. Feck sakes, tech giants have been doing it for years, banks in SA do it today. Car manufacturers have been doing it since almost the very start.

But whatever.
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Hopefully the image above works better than my official definition of it.

If Merc supplied the engines to customer teams, and were the only manufacturer setting engine requirements for the next year, THAT would be a conflict of interest. Such a simple concept.
 
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