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Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
Well Ferrari was only responsible for Tricyclegate.
Unsafe release and yellow flag overtake was his own doing
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Yeah I dunno so much about the unsafe release...
Firstly, it's up to the team to do the release, not the driver.
Secondly, once he was released he had to slow down and go around the (mclaren?) mechanics who were running in front of his car. If he could have gone out at normal speed he would have cleared the following car.
 
quovadis said:
Once again, if they wanted to go for the win it was the only chance. Pitting both or either had no chance for the Mercs to catch Max and probably the same fate from Charles behind with the number of laps remaining.
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Going for the win in that scenario would've been a ridiculous decision. You have to read the game - throwing a hail Mary in the hope that everyone screws up doesn't work often in elite sport. Not pitting either Merc would've ended with Ham third and Rus fourth.
 
quovadis said:
Of course there was a chance if they stayed in position and George got his elbows out. Would it have worked? Maybe. Maybe not. But it was a fighting chance to at least go for the win if George had've played a role in holding up Max ala Alonso for Ocon at the Hungarian GP or Perez for Verstappen in Abu Dhabi.
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Same chance as my winning the lotto
 
Speedster said:
Going for the win in that scenario would've been a ridiculous decision. You have to read the game - throwing a hail Mary in the hope that everyone screws up doesn't work often in elite sport. Not pitting either Merc would've ended with Ham third and Rus fourth.
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And yet many ex-drivers and commentators don't think it's that ridiculous. I guess I'm in the group of people that want teams to go for the win even if it means less points in the end.

Speedster said:
Same chance as my winning the lotto
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You're missing the nuance of the argument. It was their only chance to win other than Max/RB pulling over.
 
Hamster said:
He admitted it being a heat of the moment thing right after the race.


Also harsh considering he's made these calls in the past and we thought they were genius.
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Those were his own words a couple of weeks ago.
 
quovadis said:
And yet many ex-drivers and commentators don't think it's that ridiculous. I guess I'm in the group of people that want teams to go for the win even if it means less points in the end.


You're missing the nuance of the argument. It was their only chance to win other than Max/RB pulling over.
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Infinitesimally small chance perhaps. They should've taken the 2nd and 3rd that was on offer but elected against it. It's fine that they chose the very high risk option, but what grates me is them complaining about it afterwards. George made the right call and the result speaks for itself. It was his best ever finish and I'm sure he'd do exactly the same if he could go back.
 
Speedster said:
Infinitesimally small chance perhaps. They should've taken the 2nd and 3rd that was on offer but elected against it. It's fine that they chose the very high risk option, but what grates me is them complaining about it afterwards. George made the right call and the result speaks for itself. It was his best ever finish and I'm sure he'd do exactly the same if he could go back.
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A small chance is better than no chance. I don't think 2nd and 3rd was an option either for Merc - Pretty sure with the laps remaining Charles would've at minimum split the two.
 
quovadis said:
Oh come on, Lewis's frustration was not because they didn't pit him - it was because Russell gave up position and in doing so sealed Lewis's fate. Racing drivers want wins, not podiums.
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No team orders. End of story. Again...when things don't suit him, then he's not happy.
 
quovadis said:
At the restart? Russell just needed to stay at the maximum distance from Lewis and accelerate at a slower pace and Max would've been later on the charge because he wouldn't have been able to overtake Russel until the line.
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Did you perhaps watch the race last week where ever racer was a sitting duck for that RBR Verstappen drove?
Would very likely have been the same thing.
 
OhYeah84 said:
No team orders. End of story. Again...when things don't suit him, then he's not happy.
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Pretty sure noone has an issue with team orders where theres an actual shot at a win rather than no chance of a win and putting the other driver in an even worse position. Heck, if this was Ferrari the criticism would probably be even worse.
 
Sinbad said:
Yeah I dunno so much about the unsafe release...
Firstly, it's up to the team to do the release, not the driver.
Secondly, once he was released he had to slow down and go around the (mclaren?) mechanics who were running in front of his car. If he could have gone out at normal speed he would have cleared the following car.
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Everyone had other teams crews running in front of them in the pitlane under the safety car. He was the only one that did not have his angle right and had to brake.
 
OhYeah84 said:
Did you perhaps watch the race last week where ever racer was a sitting duck for that RBR Verstappen drove?
Would very likely have been the same thing.
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Yes but strategically Verstappen cannot overtake a slow car at the restart before the line else he gets a penalty. Lewis could've been half way down the main straight on a track with very limited place for overtaking with some heat in his tires and a more grip. A little bit of creativity could've given him a fighting chance vs no chance.
 
quovadis said:
Yes but strategically Verstappen cannot overtake a slow car at the restart before the line else he gets a penalty. Lewis could've been half way down the main straight on a track with very limited place for overtaking with some heat in his tires and a more grip. A little bit of creativity could've given him a fighting chance vs no chance.
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The drivers must remain within ten car lengths of one another in single file.

If George had held people back, there would have been penalties and protests.
 
quovadis said:
Yes but strategically Verstappen cannot overtake a slow car at the restart before the line else he gets a penalty. Lewis could've been half way down the main straight on a track with very limited place for overtaking with some heat in his tires and a more grip. A little bit of creativity could've given him a fighting chance vs no chance.
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He'd have caught Hamilton in no time. It wouldn't have taken him much to get past Russell.
All those tears because Hamilton never changed his tyres, and wasn't simply gifted the win. 3 cars got past him at the end of the day. Who's fault is that? Not Russell's.
 
quovadis said:
Yes but strategically Verstappen cannot overtake a slow car at the restart before the line else he gets a penalty. Lewis could've been half way down the main straight on a track with very limited place for overtaking with some heat in his tires and a more grip. A little bit of creativity could've given him a fighting chance vs no chance.
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But Russel and Leclerc passed him easy way later when his tyres was up to temp and with more grip?
Russel only 3 laps after restart and Leclerc 5 laps, so surely his tyres was up to temp? And both was easy passes.
 
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