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quovadis said:
Doubling down on that superior logic.
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Does it make you feel better for the weekend ahead if I give you that?
I'm feeling quite chilled, so here you go...have your pat on the back. Have a good one! :whistling:

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OhYeah84 said:
Again...using the analogy I put forward to the quovadis guy: VW sold a lot of their diesel engined cars based on falsified numbers. So why punish VW alone? Punish the workers who assembled the engines.
See where all this could go? Sure, the drivers did benefit to a greater or lesser extent. Are they involved with budgeting? Building the parts? Deciding to go over the budget cap? No to all of them.
So if the team cheated, then they need to be punished, but the drivers haven't got anything to do with that.
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Slightly different because cheating on emissions doesnt benefit the workers but cheating on budgets and prosucing a faster car directly benefits the drivers

Anyhow, what will happen will happen
 
Mzezman said:
Slightly different because cheating on emissions doesnt benefit the workers but cheating on budgets and prosucing a faster car directly benefits the drivers

Anyhow, what will happen will happen
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Cheating is cheating. If your car looks like it's more fuel efficient, people will buy it. More cars sold, more profit, more bonus and increases for the workers.
It's a very loose example, but an example nonetheless.
 
Haggis McMutton said:
You think they weren't punished indirectly?
www.theguardian.com

Volkswagen to axe 30,000 jobs worldwide

German carmaker says cuts will make it leaner and more efficient as VW attempts to bounce back from emissions scandal
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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They were...pretty unfairly too. But do you understand the analogy I was trying to make?
What happens if Verstappen had no idea about the budget being fudged, and he loses his championship from last year? How fair would that be?
 
quovadis said:
This part.
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You worked that all out...brilliant. Awesome when you take a tiny part of the whole argument, quote it and place it out of context.
That is disingenuous, but no surprise.
Well done...off to the weekend you go.

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OhYeah84 said:
You worked that all out...brilliant. Awesome when you take a tiny part of the whole argument, quote it and place it out of context.
That is disingenuous, but no surprise.
Well done...off to the weekend you go.
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It doesn't require context. The drivers either benefited or they didn't. If they did then it needs to be addressed by the governing body. If not then any team could just ignore the cost caps and develop their car for the sake of the drivers championship and just forgo the constructors. It's a mockery of the regulations if found to be true.
 
Haggis McMutton said:
Yep, and those sanctions on the firm cost 300 000 people their jobs. But by the way, those 300k people could have been working for a competitor if VW hadn't cheated in the first place. They might just not have sold as many cars or they may have had to spend more money doing it.
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30000...not 300000. And anyone involved in the cheating directly in both RBR & AMR should lose their jobs. Whether or not the drivers knew about it (being drivers and not FD/CFOs) is another story...but anyways, it has nothing to do with us armchair critics.
Will be very interesting what the FIA says, as the various articles are already mentioning Hamilton.
AND...if Verstappen loses his title due to points being taken off, then I wonder where that leaves him with RBR! Would he have some form of clause to exit it if necessary?
 
Haggis McMutton said:
Totally unfair of the the team to do that to him, not unfair of the FIA to sanction him and the team. Also, it's not just about the driver and the team when it comes to fairness. It's the rest of the grid and the fans.
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...and it's up to the FIA. I was just saying it was unfair of the drivers, because you've probably already got people on SM stating the drivers cheated.
 
Haggis McMutton said:
I must admit, Christian Horner looked pretty uncomfortable when being asked the question.
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Well then, that shows you he knew something was up. They should ask the RBR/AMR drivers the same question.

Moot point for AMR as they pretty much sucked, but the RBR drivers would be interesting to see how they reacted.
 
OhYeah84 said:
No, because he indirectly answers it...the driver never knew because it was a secret installation.
Stick with things...
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An unfair advantage is an unfair advantage whether you're aware, complicit or oblivious to what contributed to that advantage.
 
Haggis McMutton said:
You're all over the place boet. Have a Friday beer and chill for a bit.
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Not really...if you went back and read properly you'd realise it's all part of the same flow.

No worries, have a good weekend.

PS: I wonder, IF RBR (and seemingly they're one of the teams), how that one smash at Silverstone would have buggered things up?

Anyways, look what happened to Briatore with Renault's "Crashgate" a few years ago. He got banned for life. Horner should be sweating bullets at that thought.
 
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