F1 2023

Which team will take constructors in 2023?

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Mike Hoxbig said:
Who would they replace him with? Nobody else worth anything is going to want to play second fiddle. Only option is possibly Albon again, but it will always be in their minds that they tried him and it didn't work. The Alpha Tauri drivers haven't done enough to warrant a promotion either...
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Yeah tough one. They might give Ricardo a season though. I think DR will play good number 2 this time round.

Albon might be headed to Ferrari as per rumors or he might actually feel Williams is in the race now..

Personally I think the only guy who might go to RB and be Max's teammate at this point in time might be Lando.

RB might need to make a call fast though, next year they might need that number 2 driver to bag the points and be more reliable.
 
Yup, I reckon Danny is gonna make a come back, Nyk has been disapointing lately :(
 
dotdan said:
RB might need to make a call fast though, next year they might need that number 2 driver to bag the points and be more reliable.
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That's the thing. Despite Checo's inconsistency, he's still second in the drivers championship. And even if he slips to 3rd it's still enough to get them the constructors.

Why disrupt a relationship that's winning you championships, for no reason other than "he should be qualifying better".

The obsession with Ricciardo needs to stop. I'm sure the pressure on Checo is coming from him wanting a seat again. But the fact is he was dominated by the junior driver at his last team. He's a confidence driver and does great when things are going well, but sucks balls when there's a bit of pressure...
 
MuterOfWorlds said:
Quite something that he has more than Lewis.
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It's quite simple - Lewis hasn't had such a gap to the second driver in the team. This car is either super hard for Perez to drive given his style, or they need to replace him with someone who can drive it. The car is well ahead of any other team.
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
That's the thing. Despite Checo's inconsistency, he's still second in the drivers championship. And even if he slips to 3rd it's still enough to get them the constructors.

Why disrupt a relationship that's winning you championships, for no reason other than "he should be qualifying better".

The obsession with Ricciardo needs to stop. I'm sure the pressure on Checo is coming from him wanting a seat again. But the fact is he was dominated by the junior driver at his last team. He's a confidence driver and does great when things are going well, but sucks balls when there's a bit of pressure...
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Yep. I really hope DR doesn't come back.
 
UrBaN963 said:
It's going to be interesting to see the relative performances at different tracks. Merc struggle with rear grip so the slower, tighter tracks aren't going to be good for them. The McLaren is fast but apparently a little heavy on tires so on slower tracks we might see them struggling a bit.

I reckon in terms of overall pace it's currently RBR, Ferrari, Aston Martin, McLaren, Merc.
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Yeah, but the team strategists at Ferrari always ensure that the drivers have the worst Plans implemented o_O
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
Who would they replace him with? Nobody else worth anything is going to want to play second fiddle. Only option is possibly Albon again, but it will always be in their minds that they tried him and it didn't work. The Alpha Tauri drivers haven't done enough to warrant a promotion either...
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Hamilton perhaps? That would absolutely ignite the sport.
 
Pineapple Smurf said:
Yeah I honestly thought Lewis had more consecutive wins than Schumi
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Schumi was the clear leader at Ferrari every season other than when he crashed. He was always paired with a proper #2 driver. None of his teammates had won a WC while they dominated. Even the year he was excluded with his leg injury, Eddie Irvine couldn't beat Hakkinen.
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
There's no need to even risk a turn 1 incident. He can just DRS past them again like he did with Lando. The only thing stopping him is reliability...
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Try telling Max that. The first lap with Lando was pretty epic at Silverstone.
Asking Max to lay off for a lap is like asking Lewis to do the same.
Multiple WC don't tend to do that well.
 
dotdan said:
Yeah tough one. They might give Ricardo a season though. I think DR will play good number 2 this time round.

Albon might be headed to Ferrari as per rumors or he might actually feel Williams is in the race now..

Personally I think the only guy who might go to RB and be Max's teammate at this point in time might be Lando.

RB might need to make a call fast though, next year they might need that number 2 driver to bag the points and be more reliable.
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I'd like to See Ricciardo in a RB, but not sure about this car if it's heavily skewed towards one driver's style.
 
lkpat said:
Schumi was the clear leader at Ferrari every season other than when he crashed. He was always paired with a proper #2 driver. None of his teammates had won a WC while they dominated. Even the year he was excluded with his leg injury, Eddie Irvine couldn't beat Hakkinen.
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Irvine's only year to win a WDC and he blew it.
 
lkpat said:
Schumi was the clear leader at Ferrari every season other than when he crashed. He was always paired with a proper #2 driver. None of his teammates had won a WC while they dominated. Even the year he was excluded with his leg injury, Eddie Irvine couldn't beat Hakkinen.
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He actually had a clause in his contract back then that his team mate would be #2 at all times.
 
MuterOfWorlds said:
He actually had a clause in his contract back then that his team mate would be #2 at all times.
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According to Eddie Jordan he had that with Irvine... not sure about anyone else...
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Michael Schumacher demanded unusual clause in F1 team-mate's contract

Michael Schumacher is arguably the greatest driver in the history of F1 but he needed to have such a ruthless streak in order to get there - as one of his ex team-mates discovered.
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Eddie Jordan has claimed that F1 great Michael Schuamcher once demanded a very strange clause in the contract of a former Ferrari team-mate of his during his heyday.

The German dominated F1 while with the Prancing Horse and won six of his seven world championships with them. In order to stay at the top of your game, sometimes a ruthless streak is needed and Schuamcher certainly possessed this.
A prime example concerns that of Eddie Irvine, a former team-mate of the 54-year-old from 1996-1999. In an exclusive interview with OLBG, former race team owner and friend of the F1 legend Jordan, claimed that Irvine had to adhere to a very unusual clause in his contract while at Ferrari.
“Michael Schumacher is like every top-quality driver. You can't be at that level and have a winning culture if you're not aggressive and tough, Schumacher had both of those traits," Jordan said.

“I was involved when Eddie Irvine went to Ferrari and when the contract said 'Irvine had to move aside to let Schumacher win the race', I don't know any other driver who operated like that. Ferrari tolerated it and they won a load of Championships so who are they to complain? You did not see that with Alain Prost, Niki Lauda, Ayrton Senna or Lewis Hamilton."
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
That's the thing. Despite Checo's inconsistency, he's still second in the drivers championship. And even if he slips to 3rd it's still enough to get them the constructors.
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That's on the car, no doubt.
Mike Hoxbig said:
Why disrupt a relationship that's winning you championships, for no reason other than "he should be qualifying better".
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Ask Christian Horner. He likes changing them mid season. I wouldn't, but I would certainly look at Danny's times while testing.
Mike Hoxbig said:
The obsession with Ricciardo needs to stop. I'm sure the pressure on Checo is coming from him wanting a seat again. But the fact is he was dominated by the junior driver at his last team. He's a confidence driver and does great when things are going well, but sucks balls when there's a bit of pressure...
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Ricciardo is brilliant for PR. There's no obsession, it's a reality. He is well liked the world over.
 
lkpat said:
It's quite simple - Lewis hasn't had such a gap to the second driver in the team. This car is either super hard for Perez to drive given his style, or they need to replace him with someone who can drive it. The car is well ahead of any other team.
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Or the third more plausible option. Lewis is not as good as Max and could not dominate his teammates by that much. Max will be miles ahead of any other driver in the same car.
 
MuterOfWorlds said:
He actually had a clause in his contract back then that his team mate would be #2 at all times.
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To be fair, all the modern greats had that.

Ayrton Senna blocked Lotus from signing the highly rated Derek Warwick when John Player wanted a British driver in the second seat. Senna claimed Lotus couldn't support two good drivers, so he used the clause in his contract that allowed him to veto the choice for the second seat. Lotus instead signed Johnny Dumfries, who unsurprisingly drove like a granny, and Warwick never got to drive a car worthy of his potential.

Piquet had a clause that made him #1 at Williams and then he proceeded to throw his toys out when Williams didn't honour that and allowed Mansell (ostensibly the #2 driver) to fight him. When he signed for Lotus in 1988, the contract included undisputed #1 status. After joining Benetton, Piquet would later be rumoured to have lobbied in favour of Benetton retaining the slower Roberto Moreno and not giving the #2 seat to a young German by the name of Michael Schumacher who was looking mightily impressive.

Mansell walked away from Williams at the end of 1992 partly because Frank Williams wouldn't meet his financial demands and partly because they signed Prost. Mansell held a grudge against Prost going back to their Ferrari years where Prost played politics and undermined his position within the team. He also claims Frank promised him undisputed #1 status and Prost joining ensured that wasn't the case.

When Prost signed for Williams in 1993, it included a clause that prevented them from signing Senna, who was keen to join and whom Frank wanted. Frank wasn't willing to extend the clause for 1994 and so Prost walked away when Williams signed Senna.

You can bet your bottom dollar that Hamilton was being consulted on the second seat when Rosberg retired, and Max will almost certainly have a say on who joins him at Red Bull.
 
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