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Pirelli's preview of Monza:

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F1 teams face fresh flexi-wing clampdown as tricks revealed: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/...lexi-wing-clampdown-tricks-revealed/10513312/

"As first reported earlier this month, the FIA has been taking a close look at flexible wings over the first half of this season as it believes teams have been pushing the boundaries in terms of what is allowed.

It is understood that several teams, including Aston Martin, were advised to make changes to their front wing designs around the time of the Azerbaijan Grand Prix in a bid to ensure that they did not fall foul of any rule breaches. But as part of a ramped up effort to stop any attempt at getting around the regulations, the FIA has now issued a formal technical directive outlining what it believes are unacceptable designs with regards to flexible bodywork.

In TD018, a copy of which has been seen by Motorsport.com and was sent to teams ahead of the Dutch GP weekend, the FIA states that it believes outfits are exploiting “regions of purposely design localised compliance” plus “relative motion between adjacent components” to deliver a significant boost to aerodynamic performance. It states that any design that operates like this is in breach of Article 3.2.2 of F1’s Technical Regulations, which states that all components that influence a car’s aerodynamic performance must be “rigidly secured and immobile with respect to their frame of reference defined in Article 3.3. Furthermore, these components must produce a uniform, solid, hard, continuous, impervious surface under all circumstances.”

The FIA has been prompted into action because it believes that teams are exploiting sophisticated systems that rotate and flex front and rear wing elements in ways that cannot be detected through the regular load tests. It has made it clear that any “assembly designs that exploit localised compliance or degrees of freedom are not permitted.”

The FIA has duly outlined four key design elements that it considers to be in breach of the technical rules, but suggests there may be other ideas at play that could be illegal as well. They are:
1) Wing elements that can translate vertically, longitudinally or laterally relative to the bodywork that they are fixed to.
2) Wing elements that can rotate relative to the bodywork that they are fixed to, such as rotating around one fixing.
3) Designs that utilise elastomeric fillets, compliant sections of wing profile or thin flexible laminate at a junction that can either distort, deflect out of plane or twist to permit localised deflection relative to the bodywork the component is attached to.
4) Designs that utilise ‘soft’ trailing edges to wing elements to prevent ‘localised cracking’ as the result of component assembly deflection.

The only exemptions that will be allowed are in the area of floor assembly, bib bodywork and the opening of a small lateral gap to help the sealing of front wing flaps.

Whereas in the past, teams’ flexi wing antics were often responded to by the FIA increasing the load tests that take place in the garage, the realisation that teams may be using clever trickery to make the wings flex in ways that cannot be checked when the car is stationary has prompted a change of approach.

From now on, teams must submit the assembly drawings and cross sections that show the fixation of the front wing elements to the nose, as well as the rear wing elements to the endplates, rear impact structure and pylons. ..."
 
OhYeah84 said:
Drive in the wet, disable DRS and limit the speeds by an additional 80km/h. Call it an Orange flag.
Also have some way to determine what becomes a dangerous state for driving. Like a light meter for cricket.

I remembered the Russian GP from a few years ago when Norris nearly won in the wet. That was a lot of rain that day.
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Terrible idea. F1 cars depend on speed to generate downforce. Slowing down will have the opposite effect of what you think
 
Enzo Matrix said:
Terrible idea. F1 cars depend on speed to generate downforce. Slowing down will have the opposite effect of what you think
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I know exactly what it means dude. It was a couple of arm-chair suggestions. Seriously...don't read too much into it.

That said, it's amazing that you don't see cars absolutely flying off the track behind a safety car...:whistling:
 
Naks said:
F1 teams face fresh flexi-wing clampdown as tricks revealed: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/...lexi-wing-clampdown-tricks-revealed/10513312/

"As first reported earlier this month, the FIA has been taking a close look at flexible wings over the first half of this season as it believes teams have been pushing the boundaries in terms of what is allowed.

It is understood that several teams, including Aston Martin, were advised to make changes to their front wing designs around the time of the Azerbaijan Grand Prix in a bid to ensure that they did not fall foul of any rule breaches. But as part of a ramped up effort to stop any attempt at getting around the regulations, the FIA has now issued a formal technical directive outlining what it believes are unacceptable designs with regards to flexible bodywork.

In TD018, a copy of which has been seen by Motorsport.com and was sent to teams ahead of the Dutch GP weekend, the FIA states that it believes outfits are exploiting “regions of purposely design localised compliance” plus “relative motion between adjacent components” to deliver a significant boost to aerodynamic performance. It states that any design that operates like this is in breach of Article 3.2.2 of F1’s Technical Regulations, which states that all components that influence a car’s aerodynamic performance must be “rigidly secured and immobile with respect to their frame of reference defined in Article 3.3. Furthermore, these components must produce a uniform, solid, hard, continuous, impervious surface under all circumstances.”

The FIA has been prompted into action because it believes that teams are exploiting sophisticated systems that rotate and flex front and rear wing elements in ways that cannot be detected through the regular load tests. It has made it clear that any “assembly designs that exploit localised compliance or degrees of freedom are not permitted.”

The FIA has duly outlined four key design elements that it considers to be in breach of the technical rules, but suggests there may be other ideas at play that could be illegal as well. They are:
1) Wing elements that can translate vertically, longitudinally or laterally relative to the bodywork that they are fixed to.
2) Wing elements that can rotate relative to the bodywork that they are fixed to, such as rotating around one fixing.
3) Designs that utilise elastomeric fillets, compliant sections of wing profile or thin flexible laminate at a junction that can either distort, deflect out of plane or twist to permit localised deflection relative to the bodywork the component is attached to.
4) Designs that utilise ‘soft’ trailing edges to wing elements to prevent ‘localised cracking’ as the result of component assembly deflection.

The only exemptions that will be allowed are in the area of floor assembly, bib bodywork and the opening of a small lateral gap to help the sealing of front wing flaps.

Whereas in the past, teams’ flexi wing antics were often responded to by the FIA increasing the load tests that take place in the garage, the realisation that teams may be using clever trickery to make the wings flex in ways that cannot be checked when the car is stationary has prompted a change of approach.

From now on, teams must submit the assembly drawings and cross sections that show the fixation of the front wing elements to the nose, as well as the rear wing elements to the endplates, rear impact structure and pylons. ..."
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I don't understand that. It's nothing radical and I think even Merc had that in the past.
That sort of technology eventually makes its way into production cars so it makes sense in a way to have the pinnacle of motorsport design it.
The way the FIA is going, it's going to end up with F1 becoming Indy Car where they all look the same (they're butt-ugly) with no invention/innovation going on.
 
Bring on the wet races. It's the only real equaliser we have in today's F1. Also shows how far ahead of everybody Max is this season.
 
JoE said:
Bring on the wet races. It's the only real equaliser we have in today's F1. Also shows how far ahead of everybody Max is this season.
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Yes, I'd say it's an equalizer. Everyone cooling their heels in the pit lane and being told which tyres to go out on?
 
Hmm, things looking pretty settled weather wise, for this Sunday

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Could change quickly I suppose...
 
Wet means mclaren stand a chance. But also screws albon again....

which do we want more?
 
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