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MuterOfWorlds said:
Can't say I agree, nothing against Max, but that 2nd had so much to do with things going wrong for others, whether retirements or just plain idiotic strategy decisions. Mclaren utterly botched it along with Russel's unfortunate DNF, Max would've been p5 instead. Good job making sure he was there to capitalise, yes, but not one of his greatest drives, quite opportunistic imho, like Russel's win previously, when Max and Lando tangled late in the race.
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But all that is then also applicable to Lewis's win? Not great drive but luck and circumstances?
 
i feel sorry for russel.
congrats to lewis. im not a fan, but he deserves it, if only for his his mental strength and stability
 
can brundle please STFU about how ferrari mechanics costed lando. what a nag.
im not a lando fan or anti-fan, but this thing of lando being over-hyped is b.s, in my opion
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
But all that is then also applicable to Lewis's win? Not great drive but luck and circumstances?
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What does Lewis have to do with making an assessment of Max's race, simply not agreeing that it was 'One of his greatest'? Because I'm not ranting about Max's race I'm somehow a Lewis fan taking a dig at Max? Talk about irrational fanboi nonsense.
 
Was interesting how the front cars different thru the race. In the beginning it was all MB, in the middle the McLarens was on top and the last ten laps belonged to RB.

It took two and half years for Lewis to win a GP again, wonder how much of a confidence boast this is going to be to him? so far Russell was MB's best driver this year. Is this Lewis resurrection?

Talking about Lewis, wonder if he's not regrading going to Ferrari next year? Another terrible race for Leclerc, did Ferrari replaced the wrong driver, should they have rather kept Sainz? Well does not matter because currently Ferrari is nowhere.

Talking about poor form, at this point I thing any of the bottom 10 drivers can do better than Perez in the RB. Perez is going to cost RB the constructors championship.
 
MuterOfWorlds said:
What does Lewis have to do with making an assessment of Max's race? Because I'm not ranting about Max's race I'm somehow a Lewis fan taking a dig at Max? Talk about irrational fanboi nonsense.
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Because all the other's mistakes, retirements and bad strategic decisions had the same impact on both of their races. He finished less than 2s behind Lewis. So if you say he would have finished 5th, then Lewis would have been 4th?
This is not my opinion, its yours.
 
imaskidaddle said:
can brundle please STFU about how ferrari mechanics costed lando. what a nag.
im not a lando fan or anti-fan, but this thing of lando being over-hyped is b.s, in my opion
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Pitting a lap late did hurt for sure, BUT Lando coming across as too soft in decision making to me, alot like Leclerc.

Both drivers, Leclerc and Lando need to take a page out of Sainz, Max and Lewis' books, where trust their own instincts and back themselves and override their teams when needed.

After 100+ races, Lando really should know a bit by now and reading a track and when to do what and tyre choices.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
Because all the other's mistakes, retirements and bad strategic decisions had the same impact on both of their races. He finished less than 2s behind Lewis. So if you say he would have finished 5th, then Lewis would have been 4th?
This is not my opinion, its yours.
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Why is your focus so hellbent on Lewis as a Max fan? Living rent free in your head or something? So bent on hating another driver you have zero ability to have a fair, level headed discussion about the performance of the one you support?
 
GrootVoet said:
Was interesting how the front cars different thru the race. In the beginning it was all MB, in the middle the McLarens was on top and the last ten laps belonged to RB.

It took two and half years for Lewis to win a GP again, wonder how much of a confidence boast this is going to be to him? so far Russell was MB's best driver this year. Is this Lewis resurrection?

Talking about Lewis, wonder if he's not regrading going to Ferrari next year? Another terrible race for Leclerc, did Ferrari replaced the wrong driver, should they have rather kept Sainz? Well does not matter because currently Ferrari is nowhere.

Talking about poor form, at this point I thing any of the bottom 10 drivers can do better than Perez in the RB. Perez is going to cost RB the constructors championship.
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Leclerc drives on the limit, you cannot do that with an unpredictable car that will suddenly bounce through a highspeed corner. When the car is stable he has always been at least 0,2s faster than Sainz. Surely there is a reason he get 3 times Sainz's salary. Or are the people in F1 dumb?

Lewis is 40 next year. He is not going to win another championship. His move to Ferrari is a retirement package for him and some marketing and fanfare for Ferrari. An average Russel is already beating him at Merc.
 
MuterOfWorlds said:
Why is your focus so hellbent on Lewis as a Max fan? Living rent free in your head or something? So bent on hating another driver you have zero ability to have a fair, level headed discussion about the performance of the one you support?
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I simply said Max had a great race. Nothing else.
You as a Hamilton fan then decided because Max lives rent free in your head, to quote me and disregard everything Max did and claim it was because of circumstances. I just then answered that the same circumstances YOU claim, will apply to Lewis then too? Remember Max finished 1.4s behind him.
But you seem to not be able to have a level headed discussion and now not answering the facts but rather trying to divert with BS
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
I simply said Max had a great race. Nothing else.
You as a Hamilton fan then decided because Max lives rent free in your head, to quote me and disregard everything Max did and claim it was because of circumstances. I just then answered that the same circumstances YOU claim, will apply to Lewis then too? Remember Max finished 1.4s behind him.
But you seem to not be able to have a level headed discussion and now not answering the facts but rather trying to divert with BS
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You said 'one of his greatest'. All I said was disagree, not one of his greatest. He had a good race, yes, just not one of his greatest imho and you went off about Lewis nonsensically, out of context, when I didn't say a thing about him, no comparison or anything, nor had anybody else made any similiar remark about it being one of his 'greatest', instead of simply having a fair discussion about Max's race, instead, completely and entirely focused on Lewis for some reason instead of engaging in a conversation about Max at all.

Let me say this again. I've not once made any remark about Hamilton in all of this. That you assume simply not agreeing with you that I must be a Lewis fan.... You hate Lewis more than you support Max... Do you even support Max, or it just part of the process of hating Lewis? A fan should be able to have a discussion/debate about their driver's performance.

Oh... And um... Not a Lewis fan, just by way. Respect what he has achieved on track, but don't like the nonsense, politics he stokes off it one bit.
 
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DotD for me was Lewis and then either Max or Hulk for 2nd. I would sway toward Hulk I think, because getting that thing into P6 in quali, losing positions at the start and fighting back to 6th...phenomenal drive.

Max did really well given how badly he struggled in the beginning of the race. Great strategy call by Max and that RB strategist, she really is the bees knees. If Lewis wasn't so good at managing his tyres Max would have had him, but he did just enough to keep the place and take the win. What a great race.

I'm glad all the rejects can fight about it instead of celebrating the fantastic racing. Wouldn't expect anything less.
 
UrBaN963 said:
DotD for me was Lewis and then either Max or Hulk for 2nd. I would sway toward Hulk I think, because getting that thing into P6 in quali, losing positions at the start and fighting back to 6th...phenomenal drive.

Max did really well given how badly he struggled in the beginning of the race. Great strategy call by Max and that RB strategist, she really is the bees knees. If Lewis wasn't so good at managing his tyres Max would have had him, but he did just enough to keep the place and take the win. What a great race.

I'm glad all the rejects can fight about it instead of celebrating the fantastic racing. Wouldn't expect anything less.
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DotD is an interesting one this race for me. We could well have seen Piastri in the mix for DotD had he not suffered that ridiculous call not to stack by Mclaren early in the race. I was rather amped for a Piastri//Verstappen contest there, to see how the rookie faces up to that sort of challenge etc but alas Mclaren just blew it.

As for the win, not entirely sure Mclaren bottled a race win in that final round of stops so much as a 2nd place finish. With final stops that late in the race, the Merc was always going to outperform the Mclaren on those softs in those temps, like it has managed a few times this season already and Silverstone not the toughest for overtaking as we've seen, but Lando pitting a lap earlier and for mediums instead as he should've would've certainly made it more difficult for Lewis, but not sure would've sealed the win, but would've kept Lando's 2nd for sure. That Mclaren has just been rubbish a few times already on softs, and it certainly looked it again now, mindblowing Lando asked for softs, just mindblowing.
 
DOTD is lewis or max ..more max for me from 4th to 3rd to 5th to 2nd .....and making good calls

but lewis well for winning

hulk also did very well
 
MuterOfWorlds said:
DotD is an interesting one this race for me. We could well have seen Piastri in the mix for DotD had he not suffered that ridiculous call not to stack by Mclaren early in the race. I was rather amped for a Piastri//Verstappen contest there, to see how the rookie faces up to that sort of challenge etc but alas Mclaren just blew it.

As for the win, not entirely sure Mclaren bottled a race win in that final round of stops so much as a 2nd place finish. With final stops that late in the race, the Merc was always going to outperform the Mclaren on those softs in those temps, like it has managed a few times this season already and Silverstone not the toughest for overtaking as we've seen, but Lando pitting a lap earlier and for mediums instead as he should've would've certainly made it more difficult for Lewis, but not sure would've sealed the win, but would've kept Lando's 2nd for sure. That Mclaren has just been rubbish a few times already on softs, and it certainly looked it again now, mindblowing Lando asked for softs, just mindblowing.
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Especially because they had new Mediums and i think the softs were used IIRC - I could be wrong though. Its a learning moment for the whole team and if they are honest with themselves they WILL learn and do better next time. They have a fast car, fast drivers and a real chance to challenge for some more wins this season
 
I can't remember. How much faster was Piastri per lap on the leaders and how much time did he make up the last 10 laps on that mediums?
Just to settle this debate of what would have happened if Lando put on mediums.
 
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