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MuterOfWorlds said:
I'm not entirely convinced about Piastri being so 'dominant' so far as he's been benefiting from not being a team player, which Lando was expected to be. He's been the better driver over the course of the championship, the points table shows this.

This past race, the move by Piastri was great yes, but then, Lando has shown himself to capable to race his opposition, alot of what gave Piastri that opportunity was that Lando didn't expect such a daring, risky move by his own teammate, especially after past drama where had to play good teammate himself to give Oscar a win, in the name of being a good teammate, 'look at the big picture' stuff.

Reckon we could well see the gloves come off Lando now too.

And no, no judgement of Piastri, good to see the ruthlessness, he's a real racecar driver, rookie has chops, but I can also see why, how, it would've taken Lando by surprise, been expected, Piastri taking advantage of that.

As for Mclaren, team management, they need get their heads out their asses. Its too many points lost due to ineptitude on their part now this championship.
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Yes, none of that is true.
Lando did not give Oscar a win. Oscar was leading the race. The teammate in the lead always have first option for a pit. Mclaren decided to pit Lando first to cover a undercut by the car behind Lando. It was relayed to Piastri to what the situation is. Then by that, Lando undercut Piastri and came out in the lead. Not by any good driving by him but purely by a pit that his team called to protect him and disadvantage Oscar.
So the team asked him to give the place back. But he did not play the good teammate as you suggest. He made a big drama out of it and left a sour taste of a young guy's first victory.

As for Oscar not being a team player? Why? There are no team orders they allowed to race. So how is he not a team player? many times in the past the team asked Oscar to let Lando pass when Lando was faster and he did it immediately, unlike Lando.
 
Craig_ said:
That's unfortunately the only way Lando would ever get a championship as Piastri will probably school him next year. A fast car is of no use without the best driver, this is a lesson Lando had now learned the hard way.
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I think Lando is a bit quicker than Oscar especially over one lap, however imho Oscar is the better racer.
 
thestaggy said:
It would be stupid.

McLaren lost to Raikkonen in 2007 because of this. They nearly chucked 1999 because of this. Mercedes ended up with a civil war on their hands because of this.

It is true that Lando is proving that a fast car still needs a driver with their head in the right place because he has done himself no favours, but if you have a driver in position to push for a championship then you do what you can to get them there. And if that means team orders, then so be it.
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For me it's far too early for this nonsense.
 
quovadis said:
For me it's far too early for this nonsense.
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Oscar is 106-points behind Max, Lando is 62. Oscar would need Lando to retire twice and then win both races to pass his teammate in the standings before we even talk about him catching Max.

McLaren have a window to win this, and that window is Lando. With every race they allow their drivers to take points off of one another, that window closes.

And as mentioned already, if one team is going to fvck up a title chase and cultivate animosity between its drivers, it will be McLaren, because it won't be the first time.
 
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thestaggy said:
Oscar is 106-points behind Max, Lando is 62. Oscar would need Lando to retire twice and then win both races to pass his teammate in the standings before we even talk about him catching Max.

McLaren have a window to win this, and that window is Lando. With every race they allow their drivers to take points off of one another, that window closes.

And as mentioned already, if one team is going to fvck up a title chase and cultivate animosity between its drivers, it will be McLaren, because it won't be the first time.
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It'll be up to Max or Lando to win or to lose this championship.
 
quovadis said:
It'll be up to Max or Lando to win or to lose this championship.
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They've already given Piastri a 9 point gain on Max instead of the actual contender. Max's lead could have been 53 points instead of 62. So nope, if it comes down to those 9 points, it won't be up to Max or Lando.

If they wanted Oscar and Lando to go racing, it should have happened much sooner in the championship. Not this late into it. At this stage it should be clear who the main contender is and who needs to provide support. On that basis, Lando did better to get this close and Oscar should be providing the supporting role.

Next year when they go racing and if Oscar should find himself being the main contender by this stage, I would expect Lando to provide the supporting role. This 'Papaya rules' thing should apply in the first half to determine who your main contender is, not the whole season. You would think that a competitive team (especially one with a history of this) should understand this by now...
 
caroper said:
I would say it is Max's to lose as he is already way ahead.
Lando must do all he can to ensure that but it will not be easy.
He will need his Team and his Teammate behind him all the way and a lot of Luck too.
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Not entirely sure how much its Max's to lose, so much as Redbull dropping the ball and he's just a passenger and at the mercy of the team, in some respects, like how Lando has been up to now.

Fascinating comparison between him and Checo though, Perez hasn't lost nearly the same performance by contrast... If anything, he almost seems to have gained a little.
 
You all missing one point.
Although Red Bull dominance has been over for about 5-6 races. Max still came second 2 races ago in Netherlands gp. Only at Monza did the RB look really slow and the possibility for Max not getting podiums and obviously scoring lower points, became a real scenario. So up to the last race surely nobody really thought that Lando could catch Max. Thus no real need for team orders to come into it and maybe make drivers unhappy.
 
MuterOfWorlds said:
Not entirely sure how much its Max's to lose, so much as Redbull dropping the ball and he's just a passenger and at the mercy of the team, in some respects, like how Lando has been up to now.
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He has a huge lead. He's won nearly half the races this season. One of the reasons Lando's WC is mathematically possible is because Max has DNF'd once early on. I think they're going to need another one or two DNFs.
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Fascinating comparison between him and Checo though, Perez hasn't lost nearly the same performance by contrast... If anything, he almost seems to have gained a little.
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It's about the car's dynamics and racing style. From what I've read, Checo hasn't been able to develop the car to his driving style as it clashes with Max'. Maybe Max needs a very specific window to perform.
 
Willie Trombone said:
He has a huge lead. He's won nearly half the races this season. One of the reasons Lando's WC is mathematically possible is because Max has DNF'd once early on. I think they're going to need another one or two DNFs.

It's about the car's dynamics and racing style. From what I've read, Checo hasn't been able to develop the car to his driving style as it clashes with Max'. Maybe Max needs a very specific window to perform.
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The timing the slump is quite curious and being only really one of the drivers doesnt help things either, raises real questions.

By not sure its Max's to lose, is I mean doesnt appear to be something particularly in his control at the moment, something up at Redbull between the car and engineers costing buckets of points. Lando doesnt need Max not to finish a race, things just keeping going how they have, Merc abd Ferrari's put space between him and Max, with Oscar being a teammate rather than a thorn, and that gap will melt away quick.
 
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i feel like the past few weeks all that has been said here is the same thing.
Lando can win if Oscar helps.
Mclaren needs to back lando.
Max's Championship to loose.
Lance stroll is daddy's boy and no one thinks he deserves the seat.
Newy.....
Kimi......


glad its race week so hopefully there can be a new topic to discuss.

I am starting to miss the old topics of Checko being not good enough and Danny being over the hill
 
Baxteen said:
i feel like the past few weeks all that has been said here is the same thing.
Lando can win if Oscar helps.
Mclaren needs to back lando.
Max's Championship to loose.
Lance stroll is daddy's boy and no one thinks he deserves the seat.
Newy.....
Kimi......


glad its race week so hopefully there can be a new topic to discuss.

I am starting to miss the old topics of Checko being not good enough and Danny being over the hill
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Difficult to say Checo over the hill when Max has dropped to his lvl now.... Wehn can "Max washed?" :ROFL: :laugh:
 
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