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MuterOfWorlds said:
Difficult to say Checo over the hill when Max has dropped to his lvl now.... Wehn can "Max washed?" :ROFL: :laugh:
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I said Danny is over the hill not checko.

and I wont ever say Max is washed. even though I dont like him you cant say that about a driver when the car is no longer performing.
otherwise people would have said it about Alonso and Hamilton and Vetttel and Raikonen, oh wait.......
 
Baxteen said:
I said Danny is over the hill not checko.

and I wont ever say Max is washed. even though I dont like him you cant say that about a driver when the car is no longer performing.
otherwise people would have said it about Alonso and Hamilton and Vetttel and Raikonen, oh wait.......
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Haha

Was tongue in cheek and more a reference to how primarily only Max has lost pace, Perez managing to pretty much stay where he was, even not actually be better from before the break.

Raises eyebrows about other implications of rumours etc about the car, but shh...
 
the car slowed down because they either went in a wrong direction wiht the development or they have reached the limitations of the design direction.

either way its good for the competition this season.
apparently there is a big upgrade package coming at COTA so we will have to wait and see what that does.


and before anyone points out the supposed Brake thing their performance drop off happened before that regulation came into affect.
 
Baxteen said:
the car slowed down because they either went in a wrong direction wiht the development or they have reached the limitations of the design direction.

either way its good for the competition this season.
apparently there is a big upgrade package coming at COTA so we will have to wait and see what that does.


and before anyone points out the supposed Brake thing their performance drop off happened before that regulation came into affect.
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The sheer disparity of impact between Checo and Max is mindboggling to be honest.

As for the performance drop before regulation. Not true. Yes, performance drop before regulation became official, yes, but not before the impending rules change was announced. Very different things. We've seen similiar impact on team performance trajectories in line with announcements of impending clarifications/investigations and not with the date of eventual implimentations when regarding incidents with previous teams, wings, engines and more over the years.
 
Tinuva said:

THIS is a GEM of an interview.

Some interesting highlights.

* he emphasizes to not blindly believe in tools and simulations and also to prioritize driver feedback above cold measurements.

This sounds like exactly what happened when AN's departure was announced. I suspect Wache thought he could replace AN with the tools and that would just magically work on the car. In retrospect, this sounds like exactly what happened with Merc's W13 and they struggled for 2 years.

* Another interesting tidbit, he didn't want to speak about all the concepts of the RB19 because he believe most teams still didn't understand them yet, so didn't want to give it away.

That is very telling too. That was the 23 car and we almost in 25 now. Just insane how good he is with aero
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Watched it last night, was fascinating.
 
MuterOfWorlds said:
The sheer disparity of impact between Checo and Max is mindboggling to be honest.

As for the performance drop before regulation. Not true. Yes, performance drop before regulation became official, yes, but not before the impending rules change was announced. Very different things. We've seen similiar impact on team performance trajectories in line with announcements of impending clarifications/investigations and not with the date of eventual implimentations when regarding incidents with previous teams, wings, engines and more over the years.
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Ferrari 2018 comes to mind.

and the disparity of Checko and Max is exactly what is expected.

People were talking about how he is in the best car and should be doing better since before Miami wihtout seeing the performance drop off of the RB and Max's performance was hiding how far forward the rest of the grid was.

I think Ferrari, Merc and RB are about even now and Meclaren is ahead, but track spesific set ups, and race strategy can still change that for any of those 4 teams.
I dont see Checo getting a win this year, but a third win for Lando, Charles, Lewis is possible. and a second win for Carlos, Oscar or George is also possible. (dont start on Oscar should give the win again please)
 
Obieone said:
Watched it last night, was fascinating.
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Personally, I feel his input about not blindly following simulations, like much of the rest of the interview, was about teams like Mercedes, pretty much explains their entire experience, process since the new regulations arrived.

The sort of things going wrong his interview eludes to, would be full team impactful, both drivers. The sheer disparity between Max and Checo continues to go ignored, constant 'explanations' that honestly, imho, fall way short of being any logical answer to what we've been seeing transpire at Redbull.
 
MuterOfWorlds said:
The sheer disparity of impact between Checo and Max is mindboggling to be honest.

As for the performance drop before regulation. Not true. Yes, performance drop before regulation became official, yes, but not before the impending rules change was announced. Very different things. We've seen similiar impact on team performance trajectories in line with announcements of impending clarifications/investigations and not with the date of eventual implimentations when regarding incidents with previous teams, wings, engines and more over the years.
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You should rather discuss flexible wings in your theories as too why some are now faster than others.
And if we really want to discuss rumors we should maybe discuss that 8 year dominance that was very odd.
 
Baxteen said:
Ferrari 2018 comes to mind.

and the disparity of Checko and Max is exactly what is expected.

People were talking about how he is in the best car and should be doing better since before Miami wihtout seeing the performance drop off of the RB and Max's performance was hiding how far forward the rest of the grid was.

I think Ferrari, Merc and RB are about even now and Meclaren is ahead, but track spesific set ups, and race strategy can still change that for any of those 4 teams.
I dont see Checo getting a win this year, but a third win for Lando, Charles, Lewis is possible. and a second win for Carlos, Oscar or George is also possible. (dont start on Oscar should give the win again please)
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Your comment about Checo vs Max doesn't make any sense to me. Why would Max be the only driver to fall off the proverial cliff with Checo even gaining ground on Max by comparison to earlier in the season. Both drivers should be suffering, losing ground to past performances.
 
Baxteen said:
the car slowed down because they either went in a wrong direction wiht the development or they have reached the limitations of the design direction.

either way its good for the competition this season.
apparently there is a big upgrade package coming at COTA so we will have to wait and see what that does.


and before anyone points out the supposed Brake thing their performance drop off happened before that regulation came into affect.
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In an interview, Horner said the design is at a stage of diminishing returns. Not much more they can get out of it while the likes of McLaren have started closing the gap. Trying to find improvements may then have contributed to the balance issues they have started to struggle with.

This is a pattern that is often repeated: Reg changes -> One team gets it right and has a huge advantage -> Over time one or more teams starts closing the gap and things get competitive -> Reg changes -> The cycle repeats.

Red Bull nailed the ground effect regs. This iteration of the car has reached the end of or is close to the end of its design envelope and competitors have closed the gap. Reg changes are coming for 2026 and things will repeat.

When they introduced grooved tyres, Bridgestone and McLaren nailed it. Then Goodyear and Ferrari closed the gap. Hybrid-era, Mercedes gapped everyone on power out of the gate before first Ferrari narrowed the power gap and then Red Bull & Honda closed both the aero and power gaps.

It happens. No team in the history of the sport has remained at the top indefinitely.
 
MuterOfWorlds said:
Your comment about Checo vs Max doesn't make any sense to me. Why would Max be the only driver to fall off the proverial cliff with Checo even gaining ground on Max by comparison to earlier in the season. Both drivers should be suffering, losing ground to past performances.
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checo has been strugglignt o drive the car all year.
Max was also never happy with the car but he manged to make it work. he had a handle of the car so ajusting to the improved field will be easier for him.
where Checo needs to get a handle of the car AND out perform the other cars. max just needs to outperform the other cars.

and both drivers are suffering. but Checo is now getting more of a handle of the car but not enough to compete with the teams that caught up.
that is why checo will be fightign with the back 2 between Ferrari and Merc while Max will be fighting with the front 2 while the Mclarens are only fighting with themselves and their strategy, they have the car to pass anyone on track
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
You should rather discuss flexible wings in your theories as too why some are now faster than others.
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Let's.

Red Bull excluded from qualifying for flexible wing

Red Bull Racing's drivers Sebastian Vettel and Daniel Ricciardo were excluded from qualifying for the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix after it was found that they had illegal front wings.
www.grandprix.com

racingnews365.com

Why the FIA has decided to clampdown on F1 flexi-wings

Flexi-wings has led the FIA to issue a technical directive to stop teams from dabbling in grey areas in the rulebook.
racingnews365.com racingnews365.com

/inb4 British mafia...
 
Since we discussing rumors and conspiracy theories.
I often see how in the Merc domination years, they got the best and fastest engine and thats why they dominated. Yet other cars used the same engine and was nowhere? Then one has to wonder about other rumors. Shhhh
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
Let's.

Red Bull excluded from qualifying for flexible wing

Red Bull Racing's drivers Sebastian Vettel and Daniel Ricciardo were excluded from qualifying for the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix after it was found that they had illegal front wings.
www.grandprix.com

racingnews365.com

Why the FIA has decided to clampdown on F1 flexi-wings

Flexi-wings has led the FIA to issue a technical directive to stop teams from dabbling in grey areas in the rulebook.
racingnews365.com racingnews365.com

/inb4 British mafia...
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Exactly. When RB had them they were banned immediately. Now the Brits have them, there is no problem. Like a said a while back here. The moment RB get flexi wings again and is back on top, they will get banned.
#BritishMafia
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
Exactly. When RB had them they were banned immediately. Now the Brits have them, there is no problem. Like a said a while back here. The moment RB get flexi wings again and is back on top, they will get banned.
#BritishMafia
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Where's Red Bull based? What nationality is their team principal?
 
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