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Mike Hoxbig said:
What are you on about, Mclaren is ahead of Merc and has been for some time now...
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and neither have a chance of beating RB.
but I cant think of a single case (after looking thought the list of constructors champions) where a customer team beat the supplier team to win the championship.

from a business point of view if your engine is not the best you want to be sure to occupy as many as the non winning spots as possible that way more people want to buy the engine right? so for Merc it pays to have Aston, Mclaren themselves and even Williams finish as high up the order as possible and the more of those that finish ahead of ferrari and ferrari powered teams the better for them. this is also true for Ferrari.

on the flip side when Merc is winning races you want the other merc powered cars at the front without being ahead of merc.

so if Mclaren finish ahead of Merc this year and next year its fine, but if Mclaren is actually fighting redbull and Merc is not then there is a problem and it will look like merc is not a good engine supplier if a customer team can win the championship when they cant....
 
quovadis said:
They need a racer foremost as a team boss. Vowles may be great for the business end but he sounds like he's responding as part of a case study on corporate management with the simplest of questions. Almost as if the lesson is get the processes in place and they'll win races. That team has suffered from years of extremes in management and hasn't found the sweet spot.
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I'd hazard a guess that the team does need to get the processes and such baked into the team before they have any chance of ever improving, so as much as its frustrating at the moment, its a period the teams needs to go through to have any hope of fighting further up the order in the future.
 
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ToxicBunny said:
I'd hazard a guess that the team does need to get the processes and such baked into the team before they have any chance of ever improving, so as much as its frustrating at the moment, its a period the teams needs to go through to have any hope of fighting further up the order in the future.
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Sure but team boss?
 
quovadis said:
Sure but team boss?
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Given how broken the team was and possibly still is, it might be the only way to get the team on the right track.

Of course, I could be horribly wrong, and he is just the worst choice for team boss and they will keep stumbling at the end of the pack.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Given how broken the team was and possibly still is, it might be the only way to get the team on the right track.

Of course, I could be horribly wrong, and he is just the worst choice for team boss and they will keep stumbling at the end of the pack.
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I wish only the best for that team. Its former glory needs to return.
 
quovadis said:
I wish only the best for that team. Its former glory needs to return.
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100% agreed...

If only for the good of the sport, but also cos I need to justify being able to wear some of my old Williams shirts on an F1 weekend and not getting ridiculed :P
 
I don't think it's vaguely fair to judge JV on the team's current performance. That team was a mess, still is, but they're putting in a bunch of measures to improve things. DTS did a fairly good segment on it where he explains how things were and what they're doing. He did say this would not be a competitive year but they're improve as systems and processes get implemented.

It would be akin to appointing someone as the new Eskom CEO and then judging them for load-shedding.
 
ToxicBunny said:
100% agreed...

If only for the good of the sport, but also cos I need to justify being able to wear some of my old Williams shirts on an F1 weekend and not getting ridiculed :p
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I wear my Williams kit all the time. It used to be the case that during a GP weekend, we'd see maybe 1 or 2 other people wearing Williams kit, but these days it's very popular, ever since Albon joined the team.


ION, that's a bucketload of cash:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1783135517330055617

"A huge deal for Ferrari, with my understanding that its financial value will cover 2/3 (66%) of the budget cap per annum. A massive partnership. Seeing that logo brings back some great early 2000s F1 memories. Would love to see it inspire some NART style blue and white liveries for North American races."
 
Damn bro, that's like the cost of 10 ink cartridges. HP aren't playing around!
 
UrBaN963 said:
I don't think it's vaguely fair to judge JV on the team's current performance. That team was a mess, still is, but they're putting in a bunch of measures to improve things. DTS did a fairly good segment on it where he explains how things were and what they're doing. He did say this would not be a competitive year but they're improve as systems and processes get implemented.

It would be akin to appointing someone as the new Eskom CEO and then judging them for load-shedding.
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No-one has won an F1 season on business process analysis and getting stock management right. JV has a role within Williams, a very valuable one, as he did at Mercedes & Brawn but Team Principal imho isn't it. Everything he is doing is great but I've always felt an F1 team boss can't operate as a micromanager of process and procedure.
 
quovadis said:
No-one has won an F1 season on business process analysis and getting stock management right. JV has a role within Williams, a very valuable one, as he did at Mercedes & Brawn but Team Principal imho isn't it. Everything he is doing is great but I've always felt an F1 team boss can't operate as a micromanager of process and procedure.
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Of course not. But those are basics which need to be present for anything else in the team to function. They cannot even produce adequate parts currently, let alone focus on winning anything. Nobody ever won a war because they had the best fletcher, but you certainly don't win a war without one.
 
UrBaN963 said:
Of course not. But those are basics which need to be present for anything else in the team to function. They cannot even produce adequate parts currently, let alone focus on winning anything. Nobody ever won a war because they had the best fletcher, but you certainly don't win a war without one.
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If you're stuck in documenting and analysing processes you'll never produce adequate parts either. Someone has to light the fire and that's what Williams is still missing.
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/1783150581705519130

"Haas driver Nico Hülkenberg is set to drive for Audi in 2026. This means that one of the two places would be taken, reports Sport1. ↪️ Audi is said to be offering Hülkenberg a 3-year contract, but there is no official statement yet."

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