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Look would love to see Schumacher get another go in anything better than a Haas. But I can't see him at Alphine. If Sainz does not sign for Alphine, sure they will sign Doohan. I mean he is just sitting there as a reserve. He is young and want to race and with his dad's pedigree I am sure his aspirations in life is not being a reserve driver.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
But why? Ricciardo was only close to him when he was a rookie teenager? The small margins is actually concerning if you think Ricciardo was experienced at that time and Max was just getting into F1 without even driving F2.
Ricciardo's poor form was actually showing then already. Probably why he left RB so fast, knew the next year he would be hammered in times like the other that followed.
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Ricciardo and Max were teammates for only two full seasons, 2017 and 2018. And they were closely matched.

He beat Max in 2017 and then in 2018 he had a nightmare in terms of reliability, 8 retirements (more than any other driver) to Max's 3. Many of his retirements from competitive positions. Remember the famous clip of him audibly screaming in his helmet out of frustration after another retirement? Compounding his frustrations over the repeated failures was Red Bull favouring Max, so all-in-all, he was a match for Max at the time, but he was frustrated and wanted to be a team leader. Red Bull was gravitating toward the younger driver, so Danny opted for the big payday with Renault.

Average finish in 2017:
Ricciardo - 3.4
Max - 4.2

Average finish in 2018:
Max - 3.5
Ricciardo - 4

Neither Gasy, Albon nor Perez have come closer to Max than Ricciardo did. But Ricciardo is also past his prime now anyway, so he would not be able to replicate that.
 
dotdan said:
So that leaves Kmag, Danny Ric, Logan, Zhou, Bottas, Carlos and Ocon without a seat for 2025.

I personally think out of that bunch only Ocon and Carlos will still be in F1 next year
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Zhou has money. It is rumoured that his sponsors offered Haas $30 million in sponsorship money.

Williams, Haas and Sauber have one seat open, and all 3 teams are in positions where sponsorship money could swing a decision. Zhou already brings money to Sauber, Sargeant brings money to Williams and Haas is a financial sh*tshow.

For those that don't follow NASCAR, Stewart-Haas Racing, of which Gene Haas is the founder and now co-owner, is closing its doors at the end of the 2024 season. They ran four cars but can no longer afford it and have been losing sponsors. Gene doesn't have big-boy money. It is a miracle that his barebones F1 team has kept going.
 
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Ricciardo and Max were teammates for only two full seasons, 2017 and 2018. And they were closely matched.

He beat Max in 2017 and then in 2018 he had a nightmare in terms of reliability, 8 retirements (more than any other driver) to Max's 3. Many of his retirements from competitive positions. Remember the famous clip of him audibly screaming in his helmet out of frustration after another retirement? Compounding his frustrations over the repeated failures was Red Bull favouring Max, so all-in-all, he was a match for Max at the time, but he was frustrated and wanted to be a team leader. Red Bull was gravitating toward the younger driver, so Danny opted for the big payday with Renault.

Average finish in 2017:
Ricciardo - 3.4
Max - 4.2

Average finish in 2018:
Max - 3.5
Ricciardo - 4

Neither Gasy, Albon nor Perez have come closer to Max than Ricciardo did. But Ricciardo is also past his prime now anyway, so he would not be able to replicate that.
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Lets say a young rookie comes in at Ferrari next to Leclerc and first season he average just 0.1s behind Leclerc? Everyone will be amazed. I mean Piastri is two years in and still cant keep up with Lando while most think he will be destined for more? How many races did Lando do before his first win 113?
But you think a 17 year old Max that did not even drive F2 would be as good as he is now when he was a rookie?
 
quovadis said:
Mine:

Alpine - Gasly + Schumacher
Williams - Albon + Ocon
Haas - Bearman + Mag
Kick - Hulk/Bottas
Merc - Woody/Kimi
Vcarb - Yuki/Lawson
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Alpine - Gasly + Schumacher
Williams - Albon + Sainz
Haas - Bearman + Mag
Kick - Hulk + Bottas
Merc - Russell + Kimi
Vcarb - Yuki + Lawson
 
thestaggy said:
Zhou has money. It is rumoured that his sponsors offered Haas $30 million in sponsorship money.

Williams, Haas and Sauber have one seat open, and all 3 teams are in positions where sponsorship money could swing a decision. Zhou already brings money to Sauber, Sargeant brings money to Williams and Haas is a financial sh*tshow.

For those that don't follow NASCAR, Stewart-Haas Racing, of which Gene Haas is the founder and now co-owner, is closing its doors at the end of the 2024 season. They ran four cars but can no longer afford it and have been losing sponsors. Gene doesn't have big-boy money. It is a miracle that his barebones F1 team has kept going.
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I didn't know that about Zhou regardless, it seems Audi does not want him though. Perhaps Haas if they need money but ultimately I don't think Haas will be there in 2026. Perhaps Andretti will take their spot?

If what you say is true, then I just don't see a future for that team at all.
 
dotdan said:
I didn't know that about Zhou regardless, it seems Audi does not want him though. Perhaps Haas if they need money but ultimately I don't think Haas will be there in 2026. Perhaps Andretti will take their spot?

If what you say is true, then I just don't see a future for that team at all.
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Audi doesn't need the money he brings. The smaller non-works teams do...
 
Alpine - Gasly + Sainz
Williams - Albon + Kimi
Haas - Bearman + Mag
Kick - Hulk + Bottas
Merc - Osama Bin Russel + Schumacher
Vcarb - Yuki + Lawson
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
Lets say a young rookie comes in at Ferrari next to Leclerc and first season he average just 0.1s behind Leclerc? Everyone will be amazed. I mean Piastri is two years in and still cant keep up with Lando while most think he will be destined for more? How many races did Lando do before his first win 113?
But you think a 17 year old Max that did not even drive F2 would be as good as he is now when he was a rookie?
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You said Ricciardo was already starting to show poor form. He was not, as evidenced by the stats I provided. The two were barely separated by a position in terms of average finish. Ricciardo was also hit hard by poor reliability in their second season together.
 
was watching the press conference and they ask lewis about his chances and he is like you can clearly see the mclarens are faster.................. and max

checo was sitting next to him :D
 
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