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UrBaN963 said:
Realistically, RB and Max take the championship next year. McLaren are the only ones with a car which can challenge (currently at least) and they don't have the drivers to match Max. Piastri is great but not yet consistent enough. Lando is great but not consistent enough and I also think he's not aggressive enough.

Unless someone comes out the gate with a massively improved car, I don't think anyone beats RB as Max's skill tends to make up for any deficit in the car. Maybe Merc will do something with the car, but I doubt they make up that much performance from the off and I don't think Russell or Antonelli will be consistently good enough to mount a real challenge.
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Ferrari have been on an upward trajectory. Charles has proven in the past that he has the speed to beat Max, there were just the silly little mistakes he was making that he needed to have ironed out. And of course, we don't know what Lewis has left, and he is currently the only driver on the grid that knows how to handle Max.
 
My hesitation with Ferrari is their inconsistency. The car has shown pace, but then been poor the next race. They aren't consistently fast. Also, they have a strategy team, so they can never win the WDC.
 
UrBaN963 said:
Realistically, RB and Max take the championship next year. McLaren are the only ones with a car which can challenge (currently at least) and they don't have the drivers to match Max. Piastri is great but not yet consistent enough. Lando is great but not consistent enough and I also think he's not aggressive enough.

Unless someone comes out the gate with a massively improved car, I don't think anyone beats RB as Max's skill tends to make up for any deficit in the car. Maybe Merc will do something with the car, but I doubt they make up that much performance from the off and I don't think Russell or Antonelli will be consistently good enough to mount a real challenge.
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jsut ignoring that Ferrari is trending up, with the current car and have good drivers next year? while RB is trending down? never mind that RB lost the key man that made their car dominate to Aston Martin?

Ferrari could be in wiht a shot.
RB could find pace again at the start of the season.
McLaren could have a dominant car and steal the show completely with no need to have agressive drivers.
Aston could come out of the gate in a Newey Gem and sudent be fighting for podiums again.
Who knows what Merc could do at this stage.

further from reality is the Williams and Alpines that could both suddenly become top of the midfield or maybe even fighting for podiums.


the only thing that feels solid is that Sauber will be at the bottom.
 
Agent_Smith said:
Doubtful that Aston Martin will feel the Newey effect so soon.
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Agreed. With the rule changes for 2026, most teams are likely going to run updated versions of this year's cars. Seems pointless to invest heavily in 2025. Also, whatever plans AM may have had for 2025 are already in the pipeline. The car that starts the opening rounds next season will have nothing to do with Newey.

Newey's impact will only be felt well into next season, if at all. 2026 will be his first baby.
 
Baxteen said:
jsut ignoring that Ferrari is trending up, with the current car and have good drivers next year? while RB is trending down? never mind that RB lost the key man that made their car dominate to Aston Martin?

Ferrari could be in wiht a shot.
RB could find pace again at the start of the season.
McLaren could have a dominant car and steal the show completely with no need to have agressive drivers.
Aston could come out of the gate in a Newey Gem and sudent be fighting for podiums again.
Who knows what Merc could do at this stage.

further from reality is the Williams and Alpines that could both suddenly become top of the midfield or maybe even fighting for podiums.


the only thing that feels solid is that Sauber will be at the bottom.
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As stated above, Ferrari might be good, but they haven't been anywhere near good enough this season to mount a realistic challenge. They are fast sometimes, whereas RB (Max) and McLaren have been fast most of the time. Merc are so far behind I think they would need an entirely new car concept to compete, I don't think a few upgrades fixes that mess. And I doubt they'll be focusing on 2025 when 2026 is around the corner.

Newey cannot have any effect on AM in the beginning of the season, that would be a breach of his gardening leave. So his effect will only come later in the season after he has had a chance to look at the car, laugh his head off and then make changes and then have them produced.

RB have lost Newey, but he isn't the only aerodynamicist, the others will have been hard at work and will likely bring some performance to the car. Also Checo likely won't be there which is an upgrade in itself.

Williams, VCARB, Haas won't be competing for wins so we can exclude them. And Sauber should just take that car to F2 and race for points.
 
There was quite a bit of buzz regarding Colapinto in the build up to this weekend - his star was rising fast with some even mentioning a possible RB seat for him. Has this excitement dissipated after the weekend?
 
Speedster said:
There was quite a bit of buzz regarding Colapinto in the build up to this weekend - his star was rising fast with some even mentioning a possible RB seat for him. Has this excitement dissipated after the weekend?
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Isn't the Williams a bastard to drive?
 
I think the hype around Colepinto is still around and still valid. the latest Rumor we saw was Helmut Marco talking to James Vowels. be that for Sainz or for Colepinto is besides the point, but it makes it feel like Franco will have a seat one way or another next year
 
I think the hype is still there and warranted. Same for Bearman. This weekend wasn't excellent for either of them, but I also can't think of a harder race for rookies with very little seat time to have to try compete in. I doubt this weekend would reflect poorly on any rookie.
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
Ferrari is showing good pace, I wouldn't write them off. RB is being saved by Max, whoever replaces Checo probably isn't going to do much better than Checo. It's going to be more of the same - Ferrari vs McLaren for the WCC, and Max vs everyone else for the WDC...
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I'm of the opinion that much of what Ferrari has gained from their improvements has been such which favored certain tracks and I expect them to do well at Qatar and Abu Dhabi similar to how COTA played out. Not sure about Vegas. I would think their trajectory will continue into 2025 and that momentum will be available from the start.

Max is a great driver - no doubt and I'm of the opinion that he is the quintessential #1 driver and always will be thus whoever gets that 2nd seat needs to expect that in terms of resources that ultimately limits them to an extent. It all depends who gets that seat but I doubt anyone in that seat could possibly be as bad as Checo this year.

In saying that, I think it's going to be a minimum 3 way fight for both constructors and drivers next year with 5 or 6 races to go. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a 4th.
 
quovadis said:
I'm of the opinion that much of what Ferrari has gained from their improvements has been such which favored certain tracks and I expect them to do well at Qatar and Abu Dhabi similar to how COTA played out. Not sure about Vegas. I would think their trajectory will continue into 2025 and that momentum will be available from the start.

Max is a great driver - no doubt and I'm of the opinion that he is the quintessential #1 driver and always will be thus whoever gets that 2nd seat needs to expect that in terms of resources that ultimately limits them to an extent. It all depends who gets that seat but I doubt anyone in that seat could possibly be as bad as Checo this year.

In saying that, I think it's going to be a minimum 3 way fight for both constructors and drivers next year with 5 or 6 races to go. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a 4th.
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Then back to the one horse race procession norm after the rules change.
 
Speedster said:
There was quite a bit of buzz regarding Colapinto in the build up to this weekend - his star was rising fast with some even mentioning a possible RB seat for him. Has this excitement dissipated after the weekend?
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Some of it would've been the F1 marketing machine due to him being from that part of the world.
 
wingnut771 said:
Then back to the one horse race procession norm after the rules change.
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Hehehe I don't disagree with you. I don't think the major regulation changes ever result in what was intended to be gained by them. Certainly not in the short term. Time may tell though, we might have another RB dominant year next year too.
 
quovadis said:
Hehehe I don't disagree with you. I don't think the major regulation changes ever result in what was intended to be gained by them. Certainly not in the short term. Time may tell though, we might have another RB dominant year next year too.
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If Checo is in the RB next year then it will be a two horse race between Ferrari and Mclaren for the constructors.

If Red Bull can sort out the niggles the RB 20 has had this year then they should be able to give Max a competitive car and the drivers should be a 5 driver championship race which will be very exciting.
 
UrBaN963 said:
I think the hype is still there and warranted. Same for Bearman. This weekend wasn't excellent for either of them, but I also can't think of a harder race for rookies with very little seat time to have to try compete in. I doubt this weekend would reflect poorly on any rookie.
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Colapinto was also dealing with the loss of his grandfather, an extra stress that nobody else had.
His weekend was quite rough. I'm sure he'll do much better in Vegas and beyond.

Just a really rough weekend for the Williams team as a whole.
 
dotdan said:
If Checo is in the RB next year then it will be a two horse race between Ferrari and Mclaren for the constructors.

If Red Bull can sort out the niggles the RB 20 has had this year then they should be able to give Max a competitive car and the drivers should be a 5 driver championship race which will be very exciting.
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Hey I'm not so sure, it will be their first Newey-less design. That fact has already shown this year how problematic the Red Bull aero situation is. We literally have no way of telling if the Red Bull car will be competitive.
 
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