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Decarin said:
I'm just saying that Lawson seemed pretty unprepared for that Red Bull seat. The car isn't great, sure, but at the same time he didn't exactly spend all that much time with it or older Red Bulls. All his practice sessions were cut short for one reason or another.
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Yea he really didn't have a great run for that seat, even his FP sessions were cut short.

Ah well, one done when Marko leaves or dies the team will be able to make decisions that aren't terrible.
 
Decarin said:
There are two approaches to this:

1.) Have a junior team. Chop and change rookies the way Red Bull does so that if one guy isn't doing the job you can stick another fellow in pronto

2.) The Mercedes approach: Take the time to get your rookie up to speed in older F1 machinery long before swapping drivers. Antonelli drove 10,000km in older F1 cars before his debut.

I don't know about you, but I think Antonelli looks quite comfortable out there...
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Problem for Lawson is, F1s rules was modified and running in older carsis now limited to (think) a 1000km a year.
 
Decarin said:
2.) The Mercedes approach: Take the time to get your rookie up to speed in older F1 machinery long before swapping drivers. Antonelli drove 10,000km in older F1 cars before his debut.
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ectoplasm said:
Problem for Lawson is, F1s rules was modified and running in older carsis now limited to (think) a 1000km a year.
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What a talent Antonelli is. Started driving F1 cars when he was 8 years old...
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
I see Dr Marko hurt a few feelings here.
Siestog
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Graduates of the Helmut Marko Academy :
1. Serbastian Vettel - 4 championships ; 53 wins ; 122 podiums ; 57 poles
2. Daniel Ricciardo - 8 wins ; 32 podiums ; 3 poles
3. Carlos Sainz - 4 wins ; 27 podiums ; 6 poles
4. Alex Albon - 2 podiums
5. Yuki Tsunoda - 0
6. Pierre Gasly - 1 win ; 5 podiums
7. Sergio Perez - 6 wins ; 39 podiums ; 3 poles
8. Max Verstappen - 4 championships ; 63 wins ; 113 podiums ; 40 poles

But according to the experts he doesn't know what he is doing ;)

Maybe they can enlighten us on the successes of the other junior driver academies.
 
Gramps66 said:
Graduates of the Helmut Marko Academy :
1. Serbastian Vettel - 4 championships ; 53 wins ; 122 podiums ; 57 poles
2. Daniel Ricciardo - 8 wins ; 32 podiums ; 3 poles
3. Carlos Sainz - 4 wins ; 27 podiums ; 6 poles
4. Alex Albon - 2 podiums
5. Yuki Tsunoda - 0
6. Pierre Gasly - 1 win ; 5 podiums
7. Sergio Perez - 6 wins ; 39 podiums ; 3 poles
8. Max Verstappen - 4 championships ; 63 wins ; 113 podiums ; 40 poles

But according to the experts he doesn't know what he is doing ;)

Maybe they can enlighten us on the successes of the other junior driver academies.
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Wasn't Checo with Ferrari driving academy?
 
Obieone said:
Wasn't Checo with Ferrari driving academy?
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“We had him on our books when he was a teenager and we were particularly impressed by his speed over full race distance. However, his partners at the time had a different career path in mind. So it took a while for him to end up at Red Bull Racing. He arrived with a win under his belt and he was in a positive mood. Then he met Max."
 
Gramps66 said:
“We had him on our books when he was a teenager and we were particularly impressed by his speed over full race distance. However, his partners at the time had a different career path in mind. So it took a while for him to end up at Red Bull Racing. He arrived with a win under his belt and he was in a positive mood. Then he met Max."
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Who said that?
 
Gramps66 said:
Graduates of the Helmut Marko Academy :
1. Serbastian Vettel - 4 championships ; 53 wins ; 122 podiums ; 57 poles
2. Daniel Ricciardo - 8 wins ; 32 podiums ; 3 poles
3. Carlos Sainz - 4 wins ; 27 podiums ; 6 poles
4. Alex Albon - 2 podiums
5. Yuki Tsunoda - 0
6. Pierre Gasly - 1 win ; 5 podiums
7. Sergio Perez - 6 wins ; 39 podiums ; 3 poles
8. Max Verstappen - 4 championships ; 63 wins ; 113 podiums ; 40 poles

But according to the experts he doesn't know what he is doing ;)

Maybe they can enlighten us on the successes of the other junior driver academies.
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2 World champions.

1 - Excellent
2 - Overrated and never performed that will besides a brief stint at RB.
3 - Excellent
4 - Very good, given no time and thrown in and out too early (Marko)
5 - Very good, never given a real opportunity despite deserving one (Marko)
6 - Very good, given no time and thrown in and out too early (Marko)
7- Meh
8 - Excellent and given what he needs to perform.

According to History Marko likes musical chairs when it isn't needed and like to watch paint dry when it is desperately needed.
 
Decarin said:
There are two approaches to this:

1.) Have a junior team. Chop and change rookies the way Red Bull does so that if one guy isn't doing the job you can stick another fellow in pronto

2.) The Mercedes approach: Take the time to get your rookie up to speed in older F1 machinery long before swapping drivers. Antonelli drove 10,000km in older F1 cars before his debut.

I don't know about you, but I think Antonelli looks quite comfortable out there...
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no doubt no doubt

he does look comfy

perhaps redbull is more concerned with the new regs or maybe they expect to be more competitive after the update package

whatever it is - im sure they (redbull) are less "d**s" than what we novices think
 
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imaskidaddle said:
no doubt no doubt

he does look comfy

perhaps redbull is more concerned with the new regs or maybe they expect to be more competitive after the update package

whatever it is - im sure they (redbull) are less "d**s" than what we novices think
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Well, Red Bull has 8 WDCs while Merc has 6, so it seems to be a roughly equal approach...
 
UrBaN963 said:
2 World champions.

1 - Excellent
2 - Overrated and never performed that will besides a brief stint at RB.
3 - Excellent
4 - Very good, given no time and thrown in and out too early (Marko)
5 - Very good, never given a real opportunity despite deserving one (Marko)
6 - Very good, given no time and thrown in and out too early (Marko)
7- Meh
8 - Excellent and given what he needs to perform.

According to History Marko likes musical chairs when it isn't needed and like to watch paint dry when it is desperately needed.
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You do realize that money is a big part of F1?
Many of the biggest car manufacturers have left F1 because of the costs.
Drivers are not only chosen because of their abilities, but the money the can bring in.
Yes if you are great and will win championships, that brings in money. If you are a second driver you can bring in money with things like your nationality that brings in sponsors etc.
 
I too feel that if Lawson and Yuki are swapped, its very unfair on Lawson after only 2 races. BUT, he duffed his first 2 race quali's and races. Secondly, Red Bull doesn't have the luxury of time here. They don't have the best car - if they want to stand any chance of winning the constructors or coming second, they need both cars to score immediately. I think this is the crux of it - they cannot afford to risk that second car scoring zero in Suzuka and beyond and that means Lawson is going to be unfairly removed.

I see both sides. This is highly competitive sport with the top 20 drivers in the world and hundreds of millions of Dollars in play per team.
 
Max to Merc next year
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
You do realize that money is a big part of F1?
Many of the biggest car manufacturers have left F1 because of the costs.
Drivers are not only chosen because of their abilities, but the money the can bring in.
Yes if you are great and will win championships, that brings in money. If you are a second driver you can bring in money with things like your nationality that brings in sponsors etc.
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Yeah, Horner danced around the Perez debate until he couldn't anymore. He brought in so much money it must have been damn difficult to let him go.

Someone like Lawson.. 2 races, nope get out.
 
I would be interested to see who Toto kicks to the curb if Max comes calling later the year.
 
dotdan said:
I would be interested to see who Toto kicks to the curb if Max comes calling later the year.
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Rumours (which I hate but nonetheless feel compelled to perpetuate) say Russell would be the one to vacate his seat as he is out of contract at the end of this year. Aforementioned rumours apparently tell of him having been spotted getting cozy with a certain Mr Briatore at Alpine.
 
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