F1 - General discussion and 2017

Wyvren said:
I am more curious to see if the ugly noses are going to be popular.

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At least it is sounding less like a lawnmower on speed, but still not nuts about that whine
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You used the Image Tag, it should have been the video tag.

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caroper said:
You used the Image Tag, it should have been the video tag.

[video=youtube;KlwA8XyosSM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlwA8XyosSM[/video]
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Dammit thanks, I always mix them up when in a rush
 
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A bit of fun but yoh... that RS7. 3:30 in.
 
Vettel crashes during tyre test

Sebastian Vettel has crashed on the first day of wet tyre testing for Pirelli at Ferrari's Fiorano track.
The accident happened this afternoon on one of the German's out laps on a track that had been artificially dampened.
It is understood the four-time world champion lost control of the car just after the right-hander after the bridge on the figure-of-eight circuit and headed into the barriers.
While the German escaped unhurt this is more than can be said of his 2015 mule car which was badly damaged bringing today's activity to an early end.
Reserve driver Antonio Giovinazzi is scheduled to drive tomorrow but his running is also likely to be compromised by the damage to the car.
Pirelli had called for the extra testing for its new wet tyres following criticism in Brazil last year and the fact that the new regulations this season will see cars perform standing starts following safety car periods.
Last year drivers expressed concern at the characteristics of the wets when generating heat into them in the wet, an issue that is causing concern this year in terms of wet re-starts without the benefit of tyre blankets.
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Ferrari abandons wet test


Ferrari has abandoned its wet weather test at Fiorano following Sebastian Vettel's crash yesterday.
Though the German was unhurt in the incident, which saw him aquaplane off the track on an out lap, damage to the 2015 mule car brought the day's programme to an early close.
While it was hoped to repair the car overnight, thereby giving reserve driver Antonio Giovinazzi further mileage today, a lack of spare parts means the test had to be abandoned.
The aim of the test was to allow Vettel to give feedback to Pirelli on the warm-up characteristics of the tyres following complaints in Brazil last year and with an eye on the new rules for 2017 which will see standing starts following safety car periods.
The exact cause of the crash is unknown and currently neither Ferrari or Pirelli is commenting, however the fact that the incident took place in conditions that might be expected over race weekend - albeit a lot cooler at Fiorano yesterday with temperatures around 5 degrees - puts the need for the test fully in perspective.
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McLaren confirms BP/Castrol deal

McLaren has confirmed that it has joined forces with BP and Castrol for the provision of Formula 1 fuels and lubricant technology as well as the supply of products for McLaren Automotive.
BP is already working with McLaren Applied Technologies, the technology arm of the McLaren Technology Group that works to improve lives and solve crucial business performance challenges.
In the fierce proving ground of Formula 1, BP is supplying a range of performance lubricants for Honda's Internal Combustion Engine, the team will also benefit from Castrol's high-performance lubricants and greases that will be used in the team's Mazak-powered machine shop and dynamic chassis rig.
"This agreement between McLaren, BP and Castrol is between brands who both share a long-standing and well-recognised passion for innovation in all we do," said Jonathan Neale, McLaren Technology Group chief operating officer. "Our McLaren-Honda team provides a global platform for Castrol to supply bespoke advanced lubricant technology."
"The partnership between McLaren Automotive and Castrol is an important step in our journey to deliver the highest levels of performance and efficiency from the engines in our Sports and Super car ranges," added Mike Flewitt, chief executive officer, McLaren Automotive. "Not only will the lubricants provided by Castrol play a wide-ranging role in delivering the efficiencies across our existing cars, but our future engine generations as well."
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element1 said:
Amazing read of the sacrifices Rosberg had to make during the season last year - http://www.ibtimes.co.in/nico-rosbe...iced-become-formula-one-world-champion-715537
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One of the first examples he gave was how he stopped cycling so that he could lose one kg and how that helped him in Suzuka.
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Mansell would have done it on a McDonalds diet lol!

Another key area that Rosberg worked on was his aggression with his car. According to Rosberg, Hamilton is a natural with the car and he found it hard to go wheel-to-wheel against him and he watched a lot of Hamilton's videos trying to analyse him and made improvements to his driving accordingly.

"That's right. The anger is bigger if that person you know so well does something that crosses the line. Lewis is very good at going to the edge without going outside the grey area, thanks to his skills in the car. He is smart, very, very smart. I found it harder to go wheel-to-wheel. For him, it comes naturally."
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I'll give him that - he's honest.
 
Old Car but New Tires:
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I know its been posted before but still

Confirmed car launches/roll-outs

TEAM CHASSIS (POWER UNIT) DATE VENUE
Sauber C36 (Ferrari) February 20 Online
Renault R.S.17 (Renault) February 21 London, UK
Force India VJM10 (Mercedes) February 22 Silverstone, UK
Mercedes F1 W08 (Mercedes) February 23 Silverstone, UK
Ferrari TBC (Ferrari) February 24 Fiorano, Italy
McLaren MCL32 (Honda) February 24 Woking, UK
Toro Rosso STR12 February 26 Barcelona, Spain
 
F1 2017 optimists have 'rocks in their heads' - Patrick Head

Anyone expecting the 2017 Formula 1 rules overhaul to close up the field has "rocks in their heads", reckons former Williams technical director Patrick Head.

The comprehensive changes to F1's technical regulations this season - headlined by aerodynamic improvements designed to make lap times five to six seconds faster - have been tipped to shake up the order.

But Head believes it is inevitable that richer teams will come out on top given the resources they have to tackle such a change.

"If anybody was thinking of these rules with the aim of closing the field up then they've got rocks in their head," he told the Guardian newspaper.

"Any time you make significant changes the advantage will always go to the bigger teams - because they have more resources, they have more capability to parallel develop their existing car and work on design of their new car.

"When you have 750 employees or more against, say, Force India's 300, of course the bigger teams can do more.

"Any idea it will close the field up is nonsense."

Pirelli has some insight into potential 2017 form has it has been given data by teams to help prepare this year's tyre specifications.

Its motorsport director Paul Hembery concurs that there will be a spread of teams, though one or two may be close to each other.

"We have some estimates of data, and I guess we will all see in Melbourne," Hembery told Autosport's sister publication Motorsport.com.

"There are groups of people that are very close, but there is a spread.

"The top 10 is going to be very crowded.

"Will someone get a step ahead? You would have to say yes, that has always been the case when there is a big regulation change.

"So you would have to imagine that will be the case again."

There have also been growing suggestions that despite the focus on aerodynamics, the new rules could end up rewarding engine power even more - a theory Head agrees with.

"What makes the engine fractionally more important is that with more downforce, the percentage of the lap at which you are power limited rather than grip limited will be higher.

"So if you have that bit more power it will give a slight advantage."

He also doubts the new rules will improve the racing.

"If they wanted a formula that allowed for more overtaking without using artificial aids like DRS then they needed to go for a formula that reduced downforce levels but they have gone in the opposite direction," he said.
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Bold QFT
 
Suspension row heading to Melbourne?


Before a single car has been unveiled, far less taken to the track, a failure by the teams to agree on an issue - now there's a surprise - means the season opener in Melbourne next month could be overshadowed by a technical row resulting in protests.
Late last year, Ferrari wrote to the FIA querying the hydraulic system being used by Mercedes (and others) aimed at improving its cars' stability under braking and in corners.
In a canny move, Ferrari suggested that before developing its own system, it wanted to check the legality of that used by a couple of other teams, most notably Mercedes, to ensure it was legal. The Italian team then suggested a number of reasons why it felt it might not be.
In response, Charlies Whiting told Ferrari, and thereby all the teams: "In our view any suspension system which was capable of altering the response of a cars' suspension system in the way you describe in paragraphs 1 and 2 would be likely to contravene article 3.15 of the F1 technical regulations."
Those paragraphs referred to be Whiting, referred to "displacement in a direction opposed to the applied load over some or all of its travel, regardless of the source of the stored energy used to achieve this" or "a means by which some of the energy recovered from the forces and displacements at the wheel can be stored for release at a later time to extend a spring seat or other parts of the suspension assembly whose movement is not defined by the principally vertical suspension travel of the two wheels."
Since the exchange of letters, a number of meetings have taken place and still the matter has not been resolved as the teams cannot find a solution they can all agree on.
Among the proposals put forward was a switch to active suspension, a return to conventional suspension or indeed no restriction, but still a consensus could not be agreed.
As a result, Charlie Whiting is hoping to issue a new directive before the opening test gets underway, which, if nothing else would allow teams to make the necessary alterations - should they be required - before Melbourne.
However, should the disagreements continue, and bearing in mind that Whiting's opinion is just that, an opinion and not the letter of the law, it is entirely possible the first race of the season could be marred by protests as Melbourne stewards are left to decide the matter. Counter-protests and appeals could then see the matter go before the FIA International Court of Appeal.
At a time budgets are very much in the headlines it's worth noting the money that will have been wasted if the systems are banned not to mention the added expense of teams changing their systems before Melbourne.
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From what i'm understanding based on the changes to the car and tires the car should be a lot quicker this year.

But a few years ago they were making them slower.

So i do not understand the strategy of the FIA. Did they make them too slow or is the speed gain a byproduct of changes meant to service a different aspect.
 
More speed = more excitement is what I'm reading. Wider cars = less overtaking. More grip and downforce = less overtaking. I think they had a brain fart.
Bring back gravel traps, refueling and low downforce.
 
McLaren Honda MCL32 vs MP4-31 | Preseason Engine Start Sound - 2016 vs 2017

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Slightly off topic but surprised that Dave123 didn't jump all over Heavyonthemagick for off topic postings ? A bit biased... Bromance ? :D
Heavyonthemagick said:
A bit of fun but yoh... that RS7. 3:30 in.
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Zyraz said:
McLaren Honda MCL32 vs MP4-31 | Preseason Engine Start Sound - 2016 vs 2017

[video=youtube;Gb4LSAqzjdE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb4LSAqzjdE[/video]



Slightly off topic but surprised that Dave123 didn't jump all over Heavyonthemagick for off topic postings ? A bit biased... Bromance ? :D
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Total bromance. I can confirm. :crylaugh: He doesn't like guys with Z's in their name. You have two!
 
Discussions underway for F1 team union

Talks between leading F1 teams are reportedly in the 'early stages' to help protect their best interests following the takeover from Liberty Media.

According to a report by Autosport, a 'senior F1 team figure' is acting as a leader to open discussions about the possible creation of a 'FOTA-style' body to ensure the benefits under the Constructors' Championship Bonus – which guarantees Mercedes, Red Bull, Ferrari and McLaren extra money through Formula 1's commercial rights holder – stay intact.

"We are prepared to engage in team meetings and discussions, but the progress of those talks may necessarily be somewhat fraught, and [certain CCB teams] may attempt to protect privileged positions," an anonymous source told Autosport.

"We must all work together for the good of F1 by helping Formula One Group."

Liberty Media have already stated that they want to create a more level playing field in order to generate a more competitive sport, with one potential way of doing that by scrapping Ferrari's guaranteed annual pay-out of $100million.

Also, current arrangements see the four aforemention teams receive 65% of the total team payments, with 35% being shared between the rest.
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Reports are coming in that McLaren’s 2017 challenger, the MCL32, and its much-hyped livery, have been release online, a week before the launch of the car.

It has been teased by McLaren that their new car will contain orange on it, however, McLaren theirselves have come out and said that these images are not the final livery, and therefore may just be a hoax created by a excited (and very talented) fan or early iteration of the car.

Photos posted, allegedly of the soon to be launched MCL32, though McLaren have denied that this is the car.

However, with that being said, Zak Brown has gone on record saying that fans will be “excited” by the new livery when the car is actually released, and that it will have an unconventional design.

Personally, I feel it would be great to see an orange livery in Formula One again. It has been a long time since a team raced in orange, with Arrows being the last people to use an orange livery in a race. McLaren have also used orange test liveries before, but have not raced with it for decades.

Sauber will get the ball rolling for 2017’s car launches on the 20th of February. Click here for more.
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