F1 - General discussion and 2017

There is a simple way to fix this.

STOP lining tracks with 1000s of kilometers of tarred run off. Track, white line, kerb, grass. Done. If the drivers want to get clever on the kerbs they'll ditch their cars in the grass. Right now it is track, white line, kerb, parking lot's worth of paved runoff. Of course the drivers are going to abuse it.
 
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/132578/verstappen-decision-the-worst-ever--lauda
Max Verstappen F1 US GP penalty 'the worst decision ever' - Niki Lauda

By Adam CooperPublished on Sunday October 22nd 2017

Mercedes Formula 1 chairman Niki Lauda has called Max Verstappen's penalty for going off track when passing Kimi Raikkonen in the United States Grand Prix the worst decision he's ever seen.

Verstappen was given*a five second penaltyafter passing Raikkonen on the last lap, dropping him back from third to fourth, after he was deemed to have gained an advantage by putting all four wheels off track to make the pass.

"This decision is the worst I've ever seen, he did nothing wrong," said Lauda.

"We're racing drivers, we're not on a normal road, it's ridiculous to destroy the sport with this kind of decision.

"Next strategy meeting we need to bring it up to the agenda and start it all over again, because we cannot do that, it's going too far.

"There was nothing to interfere with, it was a normal overtaking."

The triple world champion insisted that drivers should be allowed to use all the available road surface.

"Charlie [Whiting, F1 race director] argues all the time there's white lines and you cannot drive over them," he said.

"Why cannot you drive over white lines if it is possible? Build a wall there if you want.

"As long as there is normal circuit, you can use it. A white line is not a limit.

"We agreed this all, last year it was all agreed. And now we get this decision. I think it's completely wrong."

Lauda recalled that it was agreed in a meeting last year to allow drivers to race without unnecessary interference from officials.

"We got the stewards in to tell us how fast stewards could go during a race," he said.

"Because it always says 'under investigation.' So we complained about that.

"We agreed all together that unless it is dangerous, the stewards would not interfere. Very simple.

"If they drive over [each other] and go upside down, only then they will come in
 
Lauda recalled that it was agreed in a meeting last year to allow drivers to race without unnecessary interference from officials.

But where do the stewards draw the line?
 
It's easy to forget the visibility the drivers actually have. They often can't tell if they're 4 wheels over or just 3. As Lauda says - don't make artificial boundaries. Drivers can at least see a wall, feel a raised curb or feel / be physically penalised by the grass.
 
Nooise little race, lots of small things going on.

Tough luck for Max, great drive Lewis.

Pity was so late i kept dozing off.
 
So Max showed what the new spec Renault engine could do.
Macca are driving with that next year.
Torro Rosso are using Honda.

It's going to be interesting to see the outcome of that shuffle. Watch Honda get their stuff together before Jan :/
 
So Max showed what the new spec Renault engine could do.
Macca are driving with that next year.
Torro Rosso are using Honda.

It's going to be interesting to see the outcome of that shuffle. Watch Honda get their stuff together before Jan :/

It’ll be good if Alonso can get back into the mix at the front, it’ll be far better seeing Hamilton and Alonso tangling for the lead as both have supreme driving ability rather than just with Vettel and his slightly above average abilities and luck :whistle:
 
It’ll be good if Alonso can get back into the mix at the front, it’ll be far better seeing Hamilton and Alonso tangling for the lead as both have supreme driving ability rather than just with Vettel and his slightly above average abilities and luck :whistle:

:D

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It’ll be good if Alonso can get back into the mix at the front, it’ll be far better seeing Hamilton and Alonso tangling for the lead as both have supreme driving ability rather than just with Vettel and his slightly above average abilities and luck :whistle:
Would be good to see Hamilton show some skill as well rather than sitting and piloting a more dominant car race after race. Only two drivers showing skill at the moment are the two Red Bull drivers, Hamilton only wins because he has the faster car, just like Vettle in the 2010 - 2013 era. Sorry to spoil your party, but Hamilton is doing more harm to F1 than anything else, more harm than the Vettle era did to F1.
 
Would be good to see Hamilton show some skill as well rather than sitting and piloting a more dominant car race after race. Only two drivers showing skill at the moment are the two Red Bull drivers, Hamilton only wins because he has the faster car, just like Vettle in the 2010 - 2013 era. Sorry to spoil your party, but Hamilton is doing more harm to F1 than anything else, more harm than the Vettle era did to F1.

C'mon Hamilton is a bloody good driver (no matter how much I dislike him, I have to admit it).
 
C'mon Hamilton is a bloody good driver (no matter how much I dislike him, I have to admit it).

I suspect little Mr Numbers is just trolling for a reaction, one thing even most Hamilton haters agree on is his driving ability, it’s his personality they don’t like.
 
C'mon Hamilton is a bloody good driver (no matter how much I dislike him, I have to admit it).
He is definitely a good driver, no doubt, but the way Dave goes on he gives all of the credit to Hamilton overlooking the fact that he gets given wins by the horrible Ferrari mistakes and Ferrari instability (driver and mechanical). Hamilton is the number one driver in that team as well (probably His preference after going down to Brittney last year). His team should also get a lot of the credit for the best of a car that Merc is.

To me the best drivers at the moment are not in contention to win the championship, but they still make the two Red Bull cars get wins and podiums.
 
He is definitely a good driver, no doubt, but the way Dave goes on he gives all of the credit to Hamilton overlooking the fact that he gets given wins by the horrible Ferrari mistakes and Ferrari instability (driver and mechanical). Hamilton is the number one driver in that team as well (probably His preference after going down to Brittney last year). His team should also get a lot of the credit for the best of a car that Merc is.

To me the best drivers at the moment are not in contention to win the championship, but they still make the two Red Bull cars get wins and podiums.

Ooh, someone pissed in your cornflakes this morning :p

Show me where I’ve said that..
 
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