F1 - General discussion and 2017

Shakeup in the engine department coming, it seems. From planetf1.com

FIA and Formula 1 reveal 2021 engine proposal

Louder power units, reduced costs and a more level playing field has been proposed by the FIA and Formula 1 management from 2021 and beyond.

Officials have met in Paris to discuss the future of the sport and a framework has been revealed with a number of key regulations that they wish to implement.

“We’ve carefully listened to what the fans think about the current PU and what they would like to see in the near future," said Ross Brawn, Formula 1 managing director.

"With the objective to define a set of regulations which will provide a powertrain that is simpler, cheaper and noisier and will create the conditions to facilitate new manufacturers to enter Formula 1 as powertrain suppliers and to reach a more levelled field in the sport,”

“The new F1 has the target to be the world’s leading global sports competition married to state of the art technology. To excite, engage, and awe fans of all ages but to do so in a sustainable manner. We believe that the future power unit will achieve this.”

“The 2021 power unit is an example of the future way the FIA as regulators, F1 as commercial right holders, the teams and the manufacturers as stakeholders will work together for the common good of the sport,” continued Brawn.

The key features:

– 1.6 Litre, V6 Turbo Hybrid
– 3000rpm higher engine running speed range to improve the sound
– Prescriptive internal design parameters to restrict development costs and discourage extreme designs and running conditions
– Removal of the MGUH
– More powerful MGUK with focus on manual driver deployment in race together with option to save up energy over several laps give a driver controlled tactical element to racing
– Single turbo with dimensional constraints and weight limits
-Standard energy store and control electronics
– High Level of external prescriptive design to give ‘Plug-And-Play’ engine/chassis/transmission swap capability
– Intention to investigate tighter fuel regulations and limits on number of fuels used
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Sounds like they are trying to make a Hybrid Indycar with the new engines.

The FIA should make it public how many car manufactures support the new guidelines and are pledging their allegiance to the sport going forward.
 
Fox1 said:
The FIA should make it public how many car manufactures support the new guidelines and are pledging their allegiance to the sport going forward.
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1. Ferrari (or the changes wouldn’t have been considered at all)
 
Dave said:
1. Ferrari (or the changes wouldn’t have been considered at all)
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I've heard Porsche and Audi throwing their names in the soup but they are nothing without the key ingredient.

Like how LMP1 victories now seem hollow without Audi.
 
More on grid penalties:
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That is 393 for McLaren out of a total of 798. So one team has taken more than 50% of all the grid penalties given this year.
 
Honda had two years to setup a factory and build an engine. How did they mess that up? Oh wait, BAR Honda comes to mind.
 
Fox1 said:
Honda had two years to setup a factory and build an engine. How did they mess that up? Oh wait, BAR Honda comes to mind.
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That BAR at least got second place in the drivers WC.
 
Idle threat or a worrying a development?

Ferrari threaten to quit F1 over engine changes


Ferrari have threatened to quit Formula 1 with Sergio Marchionne saying they “don’t want to play” if Liberty Media press on with plans to change the engine rules for 2021.

Earlier this week Liberty Media announced several changes to the engine regulations aimed at reducing costs, leveling the playing field and increasing the noise of the power units.

The announcement has not gone down with some of the teams with Mercedes and Renault voicing their concerns.

Ferrari have now stated that they may quit the sport if the proposed changes are implemented.

“It (Formula One) has been part of our DNA since the day we were born,” Ferrari president Marchionne said.

“It’s not as though we can define ourselves differently.

“But if we change the sandbox to the point where it becomes an unrecognisable sandbox, I don’t want to play anymore.”

He added: “Liberty has got a couple of good intentions in all of this, one of which is to reduce the cost of execution for the team, which I think is good.

“[But] there are a couple of things we don’t necessarily agree with.

“One is the fact that somehow powertrain uniqueness is not going to be one of the drivers of distinctiveness of the participants’ line-up.

“I would not countenance this going forward.

“The fact that we now appear to be at odds in terms of the strategic development of this thing, and we see the sport in 2021 taking on a different air, is going to force some decisions on the part of Ferrari.”

Asked how he would feel being the one to lead Ferrari out of F1, Marchionne replied: “Like a million bucks because I’ll be working on an alternative strategy to try and replace it. A more rational one, too.”
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Agent_Smith said:
Idle threat or a worrying a development?
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Not sure of your source but Pitpass are saying it is more about the $155 Million hit that the top teams will take if the payouts are more equitable. Your source implies it is the technical regulations. But the one thing that he said that I do fully agree with, and was for some reason left out by your source, was:

Sergio Marchionne said:
"F1 has been part of our DNA since the day we were born," he admitted. "It's not as though we can define ourselves differently. But if we change the sandbox to the point where it becomes an unrecognisable sandbox, I don't want to play any more. I don't want to play NASCAR globally, I just don't."
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Ferrari make this treat to pull out whenever thay are not getting their way, but this time, If Liberty really are trying to turn F1 into global NASCAR they will lose more teams than just Ferrari.
 
Apparently Mercedes and Renault are also going to veto the new engine regulations. That's all fair, as in the case of Renault who are still playing catch up, they would've invested in the current technology only to have it wiped off the drawing board in the next 2 years time.
 
Fox1 said:
Apparently Mercedes and Renault are also going to veto the new engine regulations.
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There is nothing to veto yet.

What was released this week was the FIA's vision as a starting point for discussion.
Next week the manufacturers will make their proposals, then over the next few months the pros and cons will be debated.

This is F1, nothing happens overnight and nothing is ever as it appears.

The Press are sensationalising and trying to find shocking stories to grab eyeballs or click bait now that the Championships are decided.
Lets wait and see what is really happening rather than getting excited over baseless rumours.
 
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Massa to leave Williams.
 
D4N said:
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...firms-f1-retirement-at-the-end-of-2017-season



oh fsck off Mercedes
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As a Williams fan, I'd prefer Wehrlein in the car over the other two. Kubica hasn't raced in years and Williams have already endured enough with a [-]slow driver[/-] stable hand at the wheel for the past few seasons.

My concerns over Wehrlein though is his rumoured bad attitude and general persona. The DTM paddock described him as having the attitude of Lewis Hamilton minus the ability. He has a grand opinion of himself to the detriment of building relationships with the people around him, including teammates and team personnel. To be fair though, he did win in DTM and has beaten all of his F1 teammates to date.

I'm 50-50 on Stroll, but he is ahead of Massa in points and in the last 5 races where they have both finished, Stroll has beaten Massa 4 - 1.
 
thestaggy said:
As a Williams fan, I'd prefer Wehrlein in the car over the other two. Kubica hasn't raced in years and Williams have already endured enough with a [-]slow driver[/-] stable hand at the wheel for the past few seasons.

My concerns over Wehrlein though is his rumoured bad attitude and general persona. The DTM paddock described him as having the attitude of Lewis Hamilton minus the ability. He has a grand opinion of himself to the detriment of building relationships with the people around him, including teammates and team personnel. To be fair though, he did win in DTM and has beaten all of his F1 teammates to date.

I'm 50-50 on Stroll, but he is ahead of Massa in points and in the last 5 races where they have both finished, Stroll has beaten Massa 4 - 1.
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Definitely a tough call for Williams to make on their second driver. I think Stroll deserves a second season though. He's shown enough in this year to justify his place.
 
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