Fanciful thinking drives DA policy

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Although this comes from an ANC supporter clearly, she does make some interesting points, especially with regards to economic growth. I don't agree with her regarding COSATU though.

Sometimes one can only be thankful for modern technology. In the old days, the Democratic Alliance's 88-page economic manifesto would have been another weighty tome to carry around. As it is, its virtual weight is just about equivalent to its intellectual heft.

That said, the document does point out some important questions about how we set growth targets, evaluate economic evidence and think about the factors behind inequality and the role of the labour movement in that context. Admittedly, the DA's document illuminates these issues mostly inadvertently by pushing its rhetoric so far that inherent contradictions become more obvious.

The DA's plan for growth and jobs is built on an 8% growth target. As it says, "the aim of this document is to provide a policy programme to build a better life for all South Africans with 8% economic growth as the essential ingredient".

It is a pity that 8% growth is so essential, because since 1994, when South Africa won democracy, just five countries have achieved it. The World Bank's world development indicators list these well-known, deeply equitable powerhouses, which are – wait for it – China, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Azerbaijan, Angola and Turkmenistan. As this very short list of countries demonstrates, sustained high rates of growth are neither easy to achieve nor inherently linked with the creation of a more equitable and inclusive society.

The exaggerated emphasis on rapid growth as a panacea appears most clearly when the DA singles out Brazil as "one of three examples of what high growth has achieved in selected developing countries". It points out the substantial fall in the poverty rate in Brazil and reiterates that "with annual growth in gross domestic product of 8% or more we could begin to see similar trends in South Africa".

Moderate rates of growth
Actually, Brazil grew more slowly than South Africa since 1994, according to the World Bank's data. South Africa's growth in this period came to 3.3% a year, compared with 3.1% for Brazil. Both countries were slightly below the average of 3.6% for all middle-income economies, excluding India and China.

The Brazil story is actually about something else. It is about how moderate rates of growth, if associated with rapid improvements in equality, can lead to popular enthusiasm and social cohesion. The extraordinary gains in equality in Brazil in the past decade meant that the majority of the people there experienced substantially better working and living conditions despite only average growth rates in the overall economy.

In*equality in South Africa has remained almost unchanged in the past decade and economic growth brought only relatively modest gains to the majority of our people.

In contrast to the DA story, Brazil and South Africa have adopted almost identical approaches to growth and inequality. The state has played a stronger role in financing development in Brazil, as well as undertaking more protectionist trade measures. But the two countries have both provided relatively generous social grants to poor *families and both have extended the minimum wage.

The main difference is that, historically, Brazil has had much lower rates of joblessness, thanks in large part to a stronger agricultural industry that generates employment on a larger scale. A third of its exports come out of the agricultural value chain. South African exports are still dominated by mining, which provides comparatively little employment.

Commodity boom
In Brazil, the combination of social grants and higher minimum wages, in the context of the commodity boom of the 2000s, contributed to a qualitative improvement in overall equality. In South Africa, although similar measures improved the lives of millions, they did little to address inequality because higher mining rents went mostly to investors and not to workers.

The emphasis on an exaggerated growth rate as a panacea for all South Africa's economic and social ills is not limited to the DA. It mirrors a deeper debate – whether it is easier to achieve un*usually high rates of growth or to accept more realistic growth rates and ensure that more South Africans benefit through the creation of employment and other measures. If you are at the top of the current economic structure, really rapid growth seems the easy way out. It would permit everyone's living standards to rise even as equity improves – or, as the DA puts it, "growth creates wealth and with more wealth there is more to share: enough, for all, forever".

If we must accept normal rates of economic growth, equality can be achieved only by moderating income gains at the top. The sacrifice need not be oppressively large, and, as in Brazil, they may be offset by improvements in the social and political atmosphere.

These economic and social realities are difficult to accept for a political party that wants to extend its base beyond the well-off by promising, well, everything to everyone, forever.

The DA document does make some effort to explain inequality. It boils down to an argument that vested interests maintain the status quo, or, as the DA puts it, "for business and political elites with privileged access to employment opportunities, or those in positions protected by South Africa's rigid labour regulations, life is relatively comfortable. They have an interest in maintaining the status quo ... Closed business networks, excessive bonus payments, steady wage increases and generous government spending have enriched this minority." This approach does lead to some interesting and worthwhile proposals on achieving more equitable ownership.

No evidence
The argument about union federation Cosatu's members is less tenable or fruitful. Although it is repeated consistently, the DA gives no evidence to support its contention that they form part of a privileged elite.

There is a reason for that: the data shows that, although formal workers, and specifically union members, are better off than the poorest and the jobless, they are hardly a true middle class. If they were, South Africa would not rank among the most inequitable economies in the world.

According to the Quarterly Labour Force Survey, the median pay in 2010 for a union member in the private sector was just R4300 a month. That hardly aligns with the view of a privileged, self-serving labour elite. In the public sector, pay was better, with the median at R8000 a month.

Furthermore, the share of labour in the national income declined during the 2000s, largely because of soaring mining rents. The increased share of profits in the national income helped to shore up deep in*equalities despite economic growth.

Portraying Cosatu as part of some amorphous elite group that holds down everyone else does not make much sense from the standpoint of the economy, but it has a compelling political logic for the DA. On the one hand, it dilutes the focus on the real rich – those who benefit from the status quo of deep inequality. On the other, it provides a basis for arguing that the state should actively seek to undermine one of the most effective organisations of working people in South Africa. That hardly seems a recipe for equality.

The animus towards Cosatu reflects the political underpinnings of the DA's economic policy document, which in turn explains why it is so short on effective proposals and so long on rhetoric.

The DA seems to have embarked on a quest to build a political base by appealing to those who feel wronged by the status quo, while still maintaining support from the most privileged groups. This deeply inconsistent policy document is best understood as a step along that *hazardous path.

Neva Seidman Makgetla, deputy director general for policy in the economic development department, is writing in her personal capacity

http://mg.co.za/article/2012-08-10-fanciful-thinking-drives-da-policy/
 
If we must accept normal rates of economic growth, equality can be achieved only by moderating income gains at the top. The sacrifice need not be oppressively large, and, as in Brazil, they may be offset by improvements in the social and political atmosphere.

Why? Why do higher income earners need to make sacrifices? Did they not work hard to get where they are? Study? Have jobs that are more scarce and require more skill and hence get rewarded financially for that?

Rather incentivise re-investment back into the country, through community programs or investment where it puts those peoples extra money to work in helping build the economy. Tax free government bonds, where all gains are not taxed as the bonds are used to fund government projects etc.
 
Why? Why do higher income earners need to make sacrifices? Did they not work hard to get where they are? Study? Have jobs that are more scarce and require more skill and hence get rewarded financially for that?

Rather incentivise re-investment back into the country, through community programs or investment where it puts those peoples extra money to work in helping build the economy. Tax free government bonds, where all gains are not taxed as the bonds are used to fund government projects etc.
Because their income is disproportionate. It's okay to make twice as much as a street sweeper, even ten times is okay but a hundred times? I'm sorry, nobody is that good or relatively more valuable. A system that allows that kind of disparity is just plain wrong.

That's what the government is trying to do by legislating that pension schemes need to put 25% of their investments in government sanctioned programs - which obviously caused an uproar on MyBB. You can't have it both ways. Tax free bonds? You kidding? There's no way they can do that.
 
Because their income is disproportionate. It's okay to make twice as much as a street sweeper, even ten times is okay but a hundred times? I'm sorry, nobody is that good or relatively more valuable. A system that allows that kind of disparity is just plain wrong.

Ah so you you would prefer to control what people can earn and not let the market dictate?
 
Ah so you you would prefer to control what people can earn and not let the market dictate?
The market can dictate whatever it wants as long as the compensation fits regulatory guidelines. Either we enforce salary caps or we open up progressive tax to some uncapped exponential growth formula; the fact that the high earners pay the same tax percentage as the middle class is what is killing the middle class.
 
The market can dictate whatever it wants as long as the compensation fits regulatory guidelines. Either we enforce salary caps or we open up progressive tax to some uncapped exponential growth formula; the fact that the high earners pay the same tax percentage as the middle class is what is killing the middle class.

And that is why people will move. If you do not compensate/reward rare/scarce skills then those skills will leave to whereever they are recognised and rewarded appropiately. The government should have no say on salary caps, free market should determine that. Minimum wage, they have to dictate to ensure that a person is treated fairly and compensated at least to what is thought of as a minimum. Tax ceiling is 40%, do you honestly think it's fair to tax a person 40% of what they earn? Keeping in mind that having a larger income, they are already paying more money than others?
 
The market can dictate whatever it wants as long as the compensation fits regulatory guidelines. Either we enforce salary caps or we open up progressive tax to some uncapped exponential growth formula; the fact that the high earners pay the same tax percentage as the middle class is what is killing the middle class.

Wtf?
 
And that is why people will move. If you do not compensate/reward rare/scarce skills then those skills will leave to wherever they are recognised and rewarded appropriately.

The government should have no say on salary caps, free market should determine that. Minimum wage, they have to dictate to ensure that a person is treated fairly and compensated at least to what is thought of as a minimum.

Tax ceiling is 40%, do you honestly think it's fair to tax a person 40% of what they earn? Keeping in mind that having a larger income, they are already paying more money than others?
Move where? Recognised and rewarded, for what exactly? Being awesome? Not all scarce skill people are needy ****s.

You're free to have your opinion on that.

That's always been a silly argument. When you earn more money then each extra rand is of less overall value to you, so while you pay more net tax your contribution is an equal wealth sacrifice - you still end up having disproportionately more in the end. What you don't understand about an infinitely progressive tax, is that our government can probably cut the 40% tax down to something like 20% for the average middle class family. Your most important demographic wins.

It is for that very reason of each extra rand being of lesser personal worth that each extra rand needs to be taxed more aggressively by a continuous progressive tax. You will never be in a situation where your net salary is less if your gross salary is higher.

Are you sure a smilie wouldn't have done? This one could work: :sick:
 
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Move where? Recognised and rewarded, for what exactly? Being awesome? Not all scarce skill people are needy ****s.

You're free to have your opinion on that.

Being awesome? No, it's called supply and demand, if your skill set is scarce and you are offered better elsewhere, people will move.

And thankyou for allowing me my opinion, I appreciate that.

Needy ****s indeed.
 
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