Farm attack, Underberg

[Albereth]

Wouldn't that make sense, though? If the share of population is so starkly different then the minority group would necessarily be affected more rather than the other way around. There are just that many more black people in absolute number terms, as well. So the chances of a criminal being black are just that much higher, irrespective of who the victims are.

I can't see how it would be proportional to the share of population either, especially since blacks are suffering from the highest levels of unemployment, inequality, poverty, alcohol/drug abuse problems, lack of education, lack of opportunity etc.

You can take the employment, poverty etc out of it. That's just noise trying to justify why a certain stats are not proportional.

But yes, if there is a sheer weight of numbers you are more likely to be influenced as a minority by the majority. That just shows that the statement about 'more likely to be black on white than white on black' is a truth and not subconcious bias.

 

[Albereth]

QFWINTTUIMM

QuotedForWheneverINeedToThrowUpInMyMouth

You don't have to like it. doesn't make it any less valid.

 

[killadoob]

You can take the employment, poverty etc out of it. That's just noise trying to justify why a certain stats are not proportional.

But yes, if there is a sheer weight of numbers you are more likely to be influenced as a minority by the majority. That just shows that the statement about 'more likely to be black on white than white on black' is a truth and not subconcious bias.

Yes it is a truth that white on black crime is true but you don't have the ability to group everyone as South African, you only seem to have the ability to separate colour.

 

[b@nD]

Affinity

your original post suggested that you wanted to live in the middle of nowhere far away from black people.
if you got along with these 50 gentelmen so well, why would you want to live away from them?
i'm not denying statistics, facts stay facts. i'm disagreeing with your interpretation though

Unfortunately those guys are not the GOV
and
Getting on with them and living with them are two different things ( I do not "live" with my in-laws )
I did not like the previous regime-bunch much -- I like the new bunch less
Unfortunately what they do has a large impact on what happens in MY life

Hopefully politicains do not like ( figurative -- and probabaly the real thing as well ) deserts.

But then I suppose you will say that I am <insert derogative word here> if I say that I prefer to be ruled by and associate with ( on a long term more intimate basis ) people that have the same values and world view.
and
NO -- that does not necessarily indicate or imply "Orania" -- good luck to them anyway.

 

[Shake&Bake]

/gets out my Baptist Preacher Voice

To those racists here - I implore you! Let it out!
Vent, curse, disperse your inner "I only know this way and why are they holding me back" thoughts in this thread, along with your hurt and justification.
We can handle it!

But getting all politically correct everytime you slip up in one of your posts or running around grabbing at metaphors, analogies and stats.
Whip out a beer, throw something on the coals and then get your laptop or smartphone out on the garden furniture and type demmit! TYPE!

 

[STS]

Unfortunately those guys are not the GOV
and
Getting on with them and living with them are two different things ( I do not "live" with my in-laws )
I did not like the previous regime-bunch much -- I like the new bunch less
Unfortunately what they do has a large impact on what happens in MY life

Hopefully politicains do not like ( figurative -- and probabaly the real thing as well ) deserts.

But then I suppose you will say that I am <insert derogative word here> if I say that I prefer to be ruled by and associate with ( on a long term more intimate basis ) people that have the same values and world view.
and
NO -- that does not necessarily indicate or imply "Orania" -- good luck to them anyway.

why? if you want to associate with certain people, that is your choice. just don't be ignorant of reality or make excuses as to why you want to associate with certain people that are not true.

 

[Albereth]

I understand, being aware that the vast majority of criminals are black do not however mean that the majority of blacks are criminals though. Intel cannot distinguish between X is mostly Y, but Y is less likely X. Example: All pedophiles are adults, not all adults are pedophiles.

If i am in a predominantly poor crime-ridden neighbourhood, i will be a bit scared - not because of racism, but because of circumstances. We are able to educate ourselves and learn every day, most of us have given up our superstitions and corrected our incorrect assumptions of the world. it is his job to sort himself out, we can only be nice so many times before his agenda becomes clear

Yep. Probably the reason why those little girls were murdered, in fact most little kids. In their experience adults are kind and protective. And maybe that's why they would have gone off with someone.

And the truth there is that most little kids don't get murdered.

 

[Albereth]

Yes it is a truth that white on black crime is true but you don't have the ability to group everyone as South African, you only seem to have the ability to separate colour.

I am pretty sure that they could slice it into a number of groups: country of origin, province of residence, etc.

But they don't because there may well be some revelations that nobody wants out there. And probably because our maturity as a society wouldn't be able to deal with it.

As STS highlighted, just because statistically a certain group acts in a certain manner it doesn't mean that every one in that group does.

 

[killadoob]

I am pretty sure that they could slice it into a number of groups: country of origin, province of residence, etc.

But they don't because there may well be some revelations that nobody wants out there. And probably because our maturity as a society wouldn't be able to deal with it.

As STS highlighted, just because statistically a certain group acts in a certain manner it doesn't mean that every one in that group does.

I think you are page on page 9 and i am on page 1.

I am talking about the brutality or our criminals. I am saying their victims are all South African(even if they are not recognized as SA they are still victims).

Now let me get onto your page, any South African(person living here) should be suspicious of everyone regardless of their colour, culture, religion etc.

By saying people should be more wary of a black man than a white man is a false sense of security and extremely naive in my opinion.

We live in South Africa, crime and murder capital of the world. Trust no one but people you know and even people you know may not be worthy of your trust. Now i am grouping any race, culture, religion. I am saying every South African should be on the look out for criminals because there are many criminals who are not black so by associating criminal activity with black folk is perhaps weakening people and making them vulnerable. Trust no one but people you know without a doubt deserve your trust.

Not sure if we are on the same page now haha.

 

[B@rrels]

Latest news.

His wife Beth apparently recognized 2 of the perps as employees,previous employees as far as I can make out. They ransacked the house and took both vehicles, land cruiser NUD123 and an Isuzu bakkie.

Attacked happened at 18.30 and she only managed to escape at around 21.30 at which point she called for help on the radio.

Apparently it was a money issue between Dan and one of the contract workers.

 

[HideInLight]

I am pretty sure that they could slice it into a number of groups: country of origin, province of residence, etc.

But they don't because there may well be some revelations that nobody wants out there. And probably because our maturity as a society wouldn't be able to deal with it.

As STS highlighted, just because statistically a certain group acts in a certain manner it doesn't mean that every one in that group does.

In China not everyone buys Rhino Horns, but due to the population size, a small percentage is enough of a problem to wipe out a species.

Even a small percentage can be too much for the "minority".

If China just looks the other way, and goes ah it's a small percentage of our people, we don't care, then goodbye Rhinos.

 

[Nanfeishen]

Crime is a disease , like cancer it eats away at the fabric of life and society, it doesnt choose where it goes or what it affects, it attacks what is vunerable.
It creates fear and uncertainty, and when people feel afraid and uncertain they want something or someone to blame, its human nature.
We find a scapegoat, be it an individual or a group, something that sets them apart from us, that draws a distinction between "us and them", and unfortunately the population demographics of South Africa make it so easy to just that.
So divides remain and solutions elude us.

The problem is we are like those anti-medicine groups trying to cure cancer with a myriad of different herbal solutions, instead of singularly aggressivelly targeting it with hardcore chemo.

Crime i can understand , theft , robbery etc , but the savagery prevalent in so many incidences is something that increasingly makes me see these perpetrators as human looking but lacking the essential qualities that define the term.

 

[longboy]

Makes me sad to see racists in this thread... Crime is crime whether it's comitted by blacks or whites or pinks or yellows. That being said, hopefully the wife of that farmer will be ok with time.

 

[crackersa]

REALIST -- DEFINITELY

Seems we have any number of colour blind people here
Let me spell it out in simple terms

Sure there is lots of crime

WHO ARE THE PERPS IN ALL THE CRIME --
Whether it is black on black , black on white , killing and raping babies and old folks -- whatever

About 90% of the time the PERPS ARE BLACK ( ag shame -- the "poverty" made me do it ! )

What is so hard to understand ?

so when you go to your little utopia community and a white guy commits murder, where you going to move to next?

 

[Solarion]

Apparently it was a money issue between Dan and one of the contract workers.

Not condoning their actions (duh) but I've had employers hold back money owed to me. I don't know about any of you here but I start seeing blood when someone owes me money (not small change but thousands) and when I ask they just give me the finger.

 

[McSack]

Not condoning their actions (duh) but I've had employers hold back money owed to me. I don't know about any of you here but I start seeing blood when someone owes me money (not small change but thousands) and when I ask they just give me the finger.

Do you think you could have gone and beaten them to death with a hammer?

 

[STS]

Do you think you could have gone and beaten them to death with a hammer?

depends what they had to lose

 

[killadoob]

depends what they had to lose

Well the money they owed you is lost thus you still haven't been paid and life in prison where you won't earn money.

Where is the logic?

 

[zippy]

Well the money they owed you is lost thus you still haven't been paid and life in prison where you won't earn money.

Where is the logic?

people aren't logical

 

[OrbitalDawn]

depends what they had to lose

Well by murdering the person they lost anything they might have been owed and the opportunity to earn more.