Without looking at the guardian article (maybe later) and is it really necessary?
The "muslim issue," ie, Israel, the middle east (even Egypt, a thread a while ago, those latest bombs.) 'And other countries,' have been denied the results of their elections. Their citizens have been put in jail without trial, houses destroyed, thousands of children killed, etc. (This being Israel and the issues of 'the Palestinians.) 'Terrorist Groups' like Hamas etc, arose to 'protest' wrong, a wrong that is displayed on our tv's, in our newspapers, on a almost daily basis. I have never understood how Europe can stand by and watch thousands of civilians (parents and kids) being killed. Oh but they are terrorists, without looking to the fundamental issues of why that is. Yes, I understand Israeli's have suffered terrible bombing, rocketing, etc., but there is never a look to the base of the problem/issues and no 'compunction' to solve it. IOW "this enemy" has been created over many years by a deliberate ignoring of elections (witness the last Palestinian elections,) and by a deliberate policy of "subjugation," then wonder why there are suicide bombings (and the extremity.) Terrorists take action because they feel they have no choice and no other way. And 'any proposed' solutions over the years are a fiasco (otherwise they would be solutions.) And Israel continues to bulldoze houses, continues to 'neutralise' enemies and destroy their families, daily! So, add 'many years' up (a basic failure of any real want to solve a problem) and a vastly expanded Israel 'and you have the muslim enemy' we see today. Radically motivated, and extreme. Then of course add Afghanistan into the mix (and all the other countries who have muslim populations, their own problems, and their own perceived lack of 'support' by the west: and we have what we have today. A population who sympathise globally while the west continues in it's merry way: sanctions, punitive actions [perhaps in response to bombing] and the rest of the heady mix.) No, the world is not a better place.
9/11 and Afghanistan are simply the cherry; the war in Iraq adds the icing, the general middle east (and the actions of Israel) provide the filling, and here we are. Fighting a supposed "global war," when in fact if somebody listened to somebody, or somebody spoke to somebody, instead of the stonewalling of the west (we don't negotiate with terrorists,) then we would not be where we are today. Years, and years of lying, false wars, and the unnecessary deaths of hundreds and thousands of people (do we wonder people get upset, that they resort to suicide bombing?!) So, there is your global enemy: one "we" created. Why? Well, let's look to Israel 'cause it surely all starts there! And has so ever since I first walked this earth!
*Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy
Yes, one we created (how we created it is certainly a topic for discussion) but let's not be fooled, what we see today is the result of years of neglect, years of 'antagonism' and years of falsehood. Suicide bombers are not born: they are made (primarily through their own beliefs and the injustice they see around them.) So yes, when this 'enemy' crashed airliners into buildings then we have a clear, identifiable target, both to the public and the military. Let's go kick their arses in 'stan, oh ja, and Iraq too. Oh and Iran as well. Sickening! All based on lies and falsehood and denying people their right to exist.
*Create a gulag
If the "freedom wall" in Israel is not creating a gulag then WTF is? If this "new" Baghdad wall is not creating a gulag then WTF is? If the border controls and proposals for national ID is not creating an electronic gulag then what is? If the surveillance society is not an electronic gulag then what is? If terrorist watch lists and surveillance of your own citizens (and throwing them in jail) is not a gulag then what is? Yes, the gulags are all around us (and are becoming more entrenched daily.) If all goes to plan we will have global dna databases (already started in UK,) and the final result of barcodes stamped on forearms, the world gulag, the end result of the New World Order. (On one hand it can be argued these are 'good things,' but they are easily open to abuse and easily manipulated by those in power, the terrorist watch list in the US being the classic example: obscure professors and lecturers stopped from travelling and questioned for hours. Or citizens being silenced, believe it, it does happen in america.)
*Develop a thug caste
Well the thug caste is everyone not us (ie, white, fair skinned and preferably english speaking.) Also if you have an opinion you are obviously a thug, I mean, what was that classic line, "you disgust me."
*Set up an internal surveillance system
Done. (If this is not true of the UK and not true of america, with illegal wiretaps, illegal warrants, and surveillance out of control then what is?)
*Harass citizens' groups
Oh, done over many years already. The watchlist again.
*Engage in arbitrary detention and release
Done. If not what of the many cases?
*Target key individuals
Well Martin Luther and Malcolm X would certainly fall under this label. Anybody notice the number of 'celebrities' who get busted for drugs, or the american professors silenced 'cause 'they' don't like their opinions?
*Control the press
Done. Admitted. Nevermind the fiasco of Fox News.
*Dissent equals treason
Bush's latest laws certainly cover this one.
*Suspend the rule of law
Same as above.
In support of this post I've put together a page of links here (from my bookmarks.) This is only scratching the surface of what seems a far deeper story.
The "muslim issue," ie, Israel, the middle east (even Egypt, a thread a while ago, those latest bombs.) 'And other countries,' have been denied the results of their elections. Their citizens have been put in jail without trial, houses destroyed, thousands of children killed, etc. (This being Israel and the issues of 'the Palestinians.) 'Terrorist Groups' like Hamas etc, arose to 'protest' wrong, a wrong that is displayed on our tv's, in our newspapers, on a almost daily basis. I have never understood how Europe can stand by and watch thousands of civilians (parents and kids) being killed. Oh but they are terrorists, without looking to the fundamental issues of why that is. Yes, I understand Israeli's have suffered terrible bombing, rocketing, etc., but there is never a look to the base of the problem/issues and no 'compunction' to solve it. IOW "this enemy" has been created over many years by a deliberate ignoring of elections (witness the last Palestinian elections,) and by a deliberate policy of "subjugation," then wonder why there are suicide bombings (and the extremity.) Terrorists take action because they feel they have no choice and no other way. And 'any proposed' solutions over the years are a fiasco (otherwise they would be solutions.) And Israel continues to bulldoze houses, continues to 'neutralise' enemies and destroy their families, daily! So, add 'many years' up (a basic failure of any real want to solve a problem) and a vastly expanded Israel 'and you have the muslim enemy' we see today. Radically motivated, and extreme. Then of course add Afghanistan into the mix (and all the other countries who have muslim populations, their own problems, and their own perceived lack of 'support' by the west: and we have what we have today. A population who sympathise globally while the west continues in it's merry way: sanctions, punitive actions [perhaps in response to bombing] and the rest of the heady mix.) No, the world is not a better place.
9/11 and Afghanistan are simply the cherry; the war in Iraq adds the icing, the general middle east (and the actions of Israel) provide the filling, and here we are. Fighting a supposed "global war," when in fact if somebody listened to somebody, or somebody spoke to somebody, instead of the stonewalling of the west (we don't negotiate with terrorists,) then we would not be where we are today. Years, and years of lying, false wars, and the unnecessary deaths of hundreds and thousands of people (do we wonder people get upset, that they resort to suicide bombing?!) So, there is your global enemy: one "we" created. Why? Well, let's look to Israel 'cause it surely all starts there! And has so ever since I first walked this earth!
*Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy
Yes, one we created (how we created it is certainly a topic for discussion) but let's not be fooled, what we see today is the result of years of neglect, years of 'antagonism' and years of falsehood. Suicide bombers are not born: they are made (primarily through their own beliefs and the injustice they see around them.) So yes, when this 'enemy' crashed airliners into buildings then we have a clear, identifiable target, both to the public and the military. Let's go kick their arses in 'stan, oh ja, and Iraq too. Oh and Iran as well. Sickening! All based on lies and falsehood and denying people their right to exist.
*Create a gulag
If the "freedom wall" in Israel is not creating a gulag then WTF is? If this "new" Baghdad wall is not creating a gulag then WTF is? If the border controls and proposals for national ID is not creating an electronic gulag then what is? If the surveillance society is not an electronic gulag then what is? If terrorist watch lists and surveillance of your own citizens (and throwing them in jail) is not a gulag then what is? Yes, the gulags are all around us (and are becoming more entrenched daily.) If all goes to plan we will have global dna databases (already started in UK,) and the final result of barcodes stamped on forearms, the world gulag, the end result of the New World Order. (On one hand it can be argued these are 'good things,' but they are easily open to abuse and easily manipulated by those in power, the terrorist watch list in the US being the classic example: obscure professors and lecturers stopped from travelling and questioned for hours. Or citizens being silenced, believe it, it does happen in america.)
*Develop a thug caste
Well the thug caste is everyone not us (ie, white, fair skinned and preferably english speaking.) Also if you have an opinion you are obviously a thug, I mean, what was that classic line, "you disgust me."
*Set up an internal surveillance system
Done. (If this is not true of the UK and not true of america, with illegal wiretaps, illegal warrants, and surveillance out of control then what is?)
*Harass citizens' groups
Oh, done over many years already. The watchlist again.
*Engage in arbitrary detention and release
Done. If not what of the many cases?
*Target key individuals
Well Martin Luther and Malcolm X would certainly fall under this label. Anybody notice the number of 'celebrities' who get busted for drugs, or the american professors silenced 'cause 'they' don't like their opinions?
*Control the press
Done. Admitted. Nevermind the fiasco of Fox News.
*Dissent equals treason
Bush's latest laws certainly cover this one.
*Suspend the rule of law
Same as above.
In support of this post I've put together a page of links here (from my bookmarks.) This is only scratching the surface of what seems a far deeper story.
But your wild and false claims in this thread only prove that you, on the other hand, are very very muddled indeed.