Fibre: Secunda Community

Henry.de.kock said:
Honestly I don't see what is holding ICASA back. They already notified 123net that the license has been granted. Why would they not just email the paperwork through? Wrf are they waiting for?
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I have a meeting with our lawyers (that do the ICASA licenses) next Monday in Cape Town.
There's just the paperwork that we need.
We have already finished the major part of our planning, we arranged the uplink to Secunda, we bought the needed machinery for digging, trenching etc. as we do not intent to use 99% manual digging as the rest we see. We plan to be very fast building the network ;) In the next week you can expect our contract to be sent to all signed-up customers and we will welcome anyone else that wants to be connected with the first wave to join now.
 
quantic said:
@Kalin would it be possible to spoil us with some speed tests or ping results from South Africa to London on 123net fibre?

Reason for me asking is if you look at this thread :

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/700366-AMA-Having-Telkom-FTTH-Installed-Today/page6

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Speed test also done on fibre from Cape town and the best results is 160 ms ping to London at best.
As I recall from our meeting you said we would see 140 ms to EU give or take now I understand 123net might run on different circuits than these fibre lines do but is 140 ms really something we can expect realistically. Was answering some question from People and everyone was like 140 ms? really? and I was saying "well that's what they said" so somewhat scared about quoting this part again as I am starting to doubt.
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Hi Quantic,

I asked my network engineer to make a ping test from our border router in Cape Town to a London IP address:

agr1-gwf#ping 5.10.105.36
Type escape sequence to abort.
Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 5.10.105.36, timeout is 2 seconds:
!!!!!
Success rate is 100 percent (5/5), round-trip min/avg/max = 152/152/152 ms

So, from Cape Town to London from our border is 152ms at the current moment.

Here's the part of the traceroute:

Tracing the route to s7-london.accountservergroup.com (5.10.105.36)
VRF info: (vrf in name/id, vrf out name/id)
1 3-1-10.bear1.Capetown2.Level3.net (212.73.206.133) [AS 3356] 28 msec 28 msec 28 msec
...
4 ae7.bbr02.eq01.ams02.networklayer.com (50.97.18.213) [AS 36351] [MPLS: Label 636564 Exp 0] 152 msec 152 msec 152 msec
5 ae0.bbr02.tg01.lon01.networklayer.com (50.97.18.210) [AS 36351] 152 msec 152 msec 148 msec
6 ae6.dar01.lon02.networklayer.com (50.97.19.41) [AS 36351] 152 msec 152 msec 152 msec

As you can see the preferred route is via Level3 and the next hop in London is 148-152ms.

I will make speedtests both to Local and to UK & USA servers and publish them later (I am not in South Africa now, getting back this weekend).
 
You have no idea how good that sounds @Kalin. So more or less 2 weeks then we will see some digging? You are my hero.
 
Kalin Bogatzevski said:
Hi Quantic,

I asked my network engineer to make a ping test from our border router in Cape Town to a London IP address:

agr1-gwf#ping 5.10.105.36
Type escape sequence to abort.
Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 5.10.105.36, timeout is 2 seconds:
!!!!!
Success rate is 100 percent (5/5), round-trip min/avg/max = 152/152/152 ms

So, from Cape Town to London from our border is 152ms at the current moment.

Here's the part of the traceroute:

Tracing the route to s7-london.accountservergroup.com (5.10.105.36)
VRF info: (vrf in name/id, vrf out name/id)
1 3-1-10.bear1.Capetown2.Level3.net (212.73.206.133) [AS 3356] 28 msec 28 msec 28 msec
...
4 ae7.bbr02.eq01.ams02.networklayer.com (50.97.18.213) [AS 36351] [MPLS: Label 636564 Exp 0] 152 msec 152 msec 152 msec
5 ae0.bbr02.tg01.lon01.networklayer.com (50.97.18.210) [AS 36351] 152 msec 152 msec 148 msec
6 ae6.dar01.lon02.networklayer.com (50.97.19.41) [AS 36351] 152 msec 152 msec 152 msec

As you can see the preferred route is via Level3 and the next hop in London is 148-152ms.

I will make speedtests both to Local and to UK & USA servers and publish them later (I am not in South Africa now, getting back this weekend).
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Okay so from Cape town to London is 148 -152 meaning from Secunda we can at least add 15 give or take meaning we are looking at between 165 - 175 ms . It is to be expected can not be unhappy with the speed of light. Guess we will have small improvement on pings but a massive improvement in bandwidth :)

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My current connection , 4 meg adsl , ping of 175 ms is not bad
 
quantic said:
Okay so from Cape town to London is 148 -152 meaning from Secunda we can at least add 15 give or take meaning we are looking at between 165 - 175 ms . It is to be expected can not be unhappy with the speed of light. Guess we will have small improvement on pings but a massive improvement in bandwidth :)

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My current connection , 4 meg adsl , ping of 175 ms is not bad
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I am not sure about adding +15ms. We will make public Looking Glasses on our servers in Durban, Cape Town, Johannesburg, and Secunda ;) You will then be able to traceroute, ping, etc. from each one of them.
 
quantic said:
My current connection , 4 meg adsl , ping of 175 ms is not bad
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Yea, I get the same 175ms to that Seacom London one. Although my speed leaves something to be desired due to MTN kurfufle ...

(10Mbit)
 
Kalin Bogatzevski said:
I am not sure about adding +15ms. We will make public Looking Glasses on our servers in Durban, Cape Town, Johannesburg, and Secunda ;) You will then be able to traceroute, ping, etc. from each one of them.
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Hmmm doing speed tests on our work connection ( fibre line) is giving way better results. We might even seen 150 -160 ping to EU. Which is amazing considering the distance.

@ Kalin I tried to do a traceroute to that 5.10.105.36 ip but it fails after 2 nd ping would have been interesting to see what I couldn't have gone

speedtest.jpg

Some local Speed test done on Fibre , we might see these results at our home soon!!!!

Speed jhb2.jpg
speed Durban.jpg
speed Cpt.jpg
 
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quantic said:
Hmmm doing speed tests on our work connection ( fibre line) is giving way better results. We might even seen 150 -160 ping to EU. Which is amazing considering the distance.

@ Kalin I tried to do a traceroute to that 5.10.105.36 ip but it fails after 2 nd ping would have been interesting to see what I couldn't have gone

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Some local Speed test done on Fibre , we might see these results at our home soon!!!!

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Local connection speedtests with 123net should be 10x times faster ;)
 
Kalin Bogatzevski said:
I have a meeting with our lawyers (that do the ICASA licenses) next Monday in Cape Town.
There's just the paperwork that we need.
We have already finished the major part of our planning, we arranged the uplink to Secunda, we bought the needed machinery for digging, trenching etc. as we do not intent to use 99% manual digging as the rest we see. We plan to be very fast building the network ;) In the next week you can expect our contract to be sent to all signed-up customers and we will welcome anyone else that wants to be connected with the first wave to join now.
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Kalin in regards to the contracts that you will be sending . I have no problem committing myself to a 12 -24 month contract but I am just scared what if I do commit and end up being unhappy with the level of service from 123net which is not unfounded in ISP even the more reliable South African ISP have left me disappointed after promising an amazing experience , seeing that there will be a cancellation fee most likely if this is the case , and it feels like we are going in blind into this agreement as there is currently no customers to even vouch for you? Kalin can we get access to a computer that mimics what we will be having once the fibre is installed , I can foresee these types of questions from people when the contract is sent out ? At the moment all that I will be able to say is that we should believe in you and double check your service agreement, but I doubt anyone will content with just that?
 
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