It's pathetic Telkom that's created this perception amongst the SA public. The fact that Telkom(in conjunction with useless ICASA) has failed to keep up with fixed-line technological advancements worldwide, has meant that us South African's have come to rely on wireless tech as our primary source of so called broadband! And now many many people on the street believe the dribble that mobile operators feed them that wireless broadband is the only option. If Kenya can initiate a project to roll out FTTH, then SA certainly can... I blame Telkom, ICASA, Comm Dept and well as the mobile operators for creating this distorted SA communication environment... I wish Neotel would grow some balls and do something like initiate FTTH, start in the main cities and grow it organically... an initiative like this would truly make Telkom old copper network redundant ... it would blow the SA comms market wide open!
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Fibre versus Wireless Broadband
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I retreat! I valid insight that I did not think of & frankly was happy not to think of.... I feel raped! I want those things too now!
Stevie G
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Bwa ha ha ha
You've been raped for the past 20 odd years by the scum Telskommel. I think our society is so sick of things not happening and they are just excepting things because of the guavaments fakup. i wish a local or an investor will step in with billions of $ and make a killing with setting up a 1st world FTTH. we need to go forward in life. we don't need people to hold us back and tell us can't, will not, not possible, maybe, if, in the pipeline, soon. Telscum will die slowly and we will all enjoy it when they going down by each day.
You've been raped for the past 20 odd years by the scum Telskommel. I think our society is so sick of things not happening and they are just excepting things because of the guavaments fakup. i wish a local or an investor will step in with billions of $ and make a killing with setting up a 1st world FTTH. we need to go forward in life. we don't need people to hold us back and tell us can't, will not, not possible, maybe, if, in the pipeline, soon. Telscum will die slowly and we will all enjoy it when they going down by each day.
LaviniaHeks
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Who exactly *forced* this onto you?
Did Lars, or any other CEO, put a gun to your head and forced you to buy a wireless data bundle? What did he say? If you don't use his wireless he'll come after your family?
Wireless is a CHOICE. So stop arguing like an idiot.
And if you think it can be done better, why don't YOU build a FTTH network?
BrandOfRiva
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Ridiculous garbage imo. If Vodacom punts these findings as fact why is their mobile data offerings (and that of other cellular networks) so much more expensive per gig than any fixed line based offering?
Both services end user pricing should be made up of something in the line of: Initial Investment Costs + Maintenance/Upgrade Costs + Raw Data Costs + Profit.
Somewhere there mobile is costing alot more and I'm pretty sure its not just the profit section.
Not to mention the fact that the offerings at present are in no way comparable (points mentioned by RJMadCat above). Just imagine the cost per gig on mobile if it performed on par with fixed line.
Both services end user pricing should be made up of something in the line of: Initial Investment Costs + Maintenance/Upgrade Costs + Raw Data Costs + Profit.
Somewhere there mobile is costing alot more and I'm pretty sure its not just the profit section.
Not to mention the fact that the offerings at present are in no way comparable (points mentioned by RJMadCat above). Just imagine the cost per gig on mobile if it performed on par with fixed line.
Rouxenator
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Perhaps a definition needs to be nailed down for the term broadband. In my view it's something that has a minimum speed of 1mbit/s and is uncapped.
Good point BrandOfRiva, imagine what VC and MTN would charge you for 100Mbit/s connection over their new LTE network... and probably on a 24 month contract nogals... remember they stated themselves 10c/mb is not sustainable! The data bundles would have to make sense at that speed, at present VC's largest bundle is MyGig 20 @ R 3620.00... that on 100Mbit/s LTE would be a serious joke... personally I think VC need to rethink the messages they are sending out. With mobile data pricing as it stands, IPTV(SD & HD) or any other high bandwidth service will never fly... So, the question is, if the likes of VC do try offer these services, how are they going to explain the suddenly lower data prices to make these services commercially viable?? Enter the spin doctors!
Who exactly *forced* this onto you?
Did Lars, or any other CEO, put a gun to your head and forced you to buy a wireless data bundle? What did he say? If you don't use his wireless he'll come after your family?
Wireless is a CHOICE. So stop arguing like an idiot.
And if you think it can be done better, why don't YOU build a FTTH network?
You do not see the bigger picture, you see force as a physical gun to your head thing? you are the one arguing like the idiot.
I do not argue like an idiot, and yes we are forced and i will tell you why.
I do want fast internet that can do what the rest of the world can do, is that wrong of me to want internet that in the rest of the world is "normal" ? No i am not asking for a miracle i am asking for something that can be done, just wont be done because companies find it easier and cheaper to roll out wireless.
I am forced because telkom will not and refuse to install phone lines for me, thus i am forced to use wireless. They claim my lines have been stolen 55 times. the next day it is 47 times, the day after that 51 times. In the 39 years my family has lived there, this was the first time.
If i had a phone line i would have a choice to use wireless and not, but so many people are forced to use crap like 3G due to theft or just general bad maintenance on the infrastructure.
If you think that any person can just go. omg i have this idea let me build a FTTH network and suddenly have the capital to do so... who is the real idiot here?
Make me CEO of telkom and you will drown in FTTH. Screw the costs, because i know that it will pay for itself, and if telkom has fiber everywhere, do you really think people gonna bother with 3G?
Stevie G
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True RJMadcat
I think Telscum are in bed with Vodacon, Empty N, No Tel an I Burst my Bubble. they all run a monopoly to all benefit from the market. We need seriously competition or somebody to overule ICASA. Is there anybody that can intervene to create a fair and healthy competitive market
i guess not
LaviniaHeks
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If you're so clever and know so much better than these CEOs who run multi-billion rand companies, why don't you draw up a business plan (since you KNOW it will pay for itself) and I promise you the investors will be kicking your door down to give you the money you need.
But you probably need to finish matric first.
If you're so clever and know so much better than these CEOs who run multi-billion rand companies, why don't you draw up a business plan (since you KNOW it will pay for itself) and I promise you the investors will be kicking your door down to give you the money you need.
But you probably need to finish matric first.
Aww cute, we have a troll * feeds troll*
Enlighten us how these CEO's of multi-billion Rand companies think. and to answer your question about it paying for it self. http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/20146-Fibre-the-home-pays-for-itself.html
Do maybe 10 sec of research and you would of known this.
LaviniaHeks, you're missing the point. Neotel has been in a position to roll out FTTH since they started in SA... they have the license to do it. But even they are trying(failed so far) to use wireless tech. Why you ask? Because in SA it's about reaching as many customers as possible, as soon as possible. The investors mentality is profits as fast as possible. FTTH requires a different mindset, the investment in infrastructure is long term and so are the potential profits, only big players(like large corporates, and gov) can supply the monetary investment needed! I've always thought Telkom would do it, but a lack of really competition, vision, internal politics and loss/lack of skills has left them looking like a dinosaur! They continue to hang on to dwindling profits for their copper based network... remember copper based tech is a dying art, how much faster do you think copper based ADSL will go, while all the research and tech breakthroughs are sitting in fibre. It doesn't take a genius to see FTTH is the future, not wireless or ADSL! Why else have all major economies worldwide invested so heavily in FTTP & FTTH...
This is Exactly it! i cannot agree more! Programmers, gfx designers, Web Development, architecture. There are hundreds of professions that can benefit from FTTH. Small businesses run from home, the list just goes on.
IMHO the only player that can roll out FTTH in SA is gov(unfortunately)... imagine a scenario where Neotel or Telkom start FTTH, we will be right back where we are now with ADSL, only one service provider. Then we start with a new fight, unbundling of the local fibre loop, or you'll land up with multiple fibre pipes to each premised... just imagine. Gov needs manage and own the project, the last mile network must belong to the public, not a narrow minded greedy service provider(like Telkom who proved they know how to take a massive public asset and screw it up)! Gov would partner with companies with the skills to roll out and manage the network. Then service providers(like vid-on-demand, IP-TV, IP-Voice, etc.) would have to pay to use the network, these fees can then be utilised to maintain/ upgrade/ grow the network! This is exactly how AUS is doing it, why on earth can't we??
MacNutter
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I want fibre 
People can Argue all they want but in South Africa greed is a massive issue here. Sorry to say but companies here do not have the BALLS to take it one step further, they will stay in their comfy zone till someone else makes a move. I believe Vodacom MTN is proof of this! they have No BALLS at all, they only did something and call it unsustainable after Cell C grabbed them by the balls and showed them they can make it cheaper. Still they are kicking and screaming against this.
The Unsustainable fight will never end until Cell C says something. Speculation has gone on about this. We can just sit back and wait.
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