Firearm licence

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Good day almal

I am looking to get myself a firearm and would like to understand the process. I think you should go for the training before going to the police to apply. Can someone please advise me? Also I think there is a training centre in Kraaifontein, is there another one close (Northern Surbabs)?
 
You need to go for proficiency training.
Once completed, you get a certificate.
You then apply to SAPS for competency
Once you receive that you can then apply for license to possess firearm.

Thats the way it works
 
You need to go for proficiency training.
Once completed, you get a certificate.
You then apply to SAPS for competency
Once you receive that you can then apply for license to possess firearm.

Thats the way it works

Thank you, Super Grandmaster
 
If you can get it for around R1200-00 - R1600-00 for each unit standard, prices are high these days.
Then to submit to SAPS is R70-00 for comp and a further R70-00 per license app

Thanks once again... Much appreciated :)
 
You need to go for proficiency training.
Once completed, you get a certificate.
You then apply to SAPS for competency
Once you receive that you can then apply for license to possess firearm.

Thats the way it works

Exactly this.

But to put time to it...

You need to go for proficiency training. Probably about a week of training and studying

Once completed, you get a certificate.
You then apply to SAPS for competency Your results are sent to the Firearms register via the Police station. This process can take anything from 6 weeks to 6 months

Once you receive that you can then apply for license to possess firearm. Which again stakes anything between 6 weeks to 6 months. They are however suppose to have it completed and issued within 90 working days. Which comes to about (4.5 months max)

It's a long process, but once you have the competency you don't have to do it again. I suggest you do all three in one go. I did, Handgun, Carbine and Shotgun in one go.

Carbine doubles as Rifle too iirc
 
Good day almal

I am looking to get myself a firearm and would like to understand the process. I think you should go for the training before going to the police to apply. Can someone please advise me? Also I think there is a training centre in Kraaifontein, is there another one close (Northern Surbabs)?

Here is a lengthy post I wrote a year or two ago. There is only one difference. Since February 2016, you cannot apply for competency and license at the same time. You first need to apply for competency and after receiving it, then you can apply for the actual license.

Step 1: Proficiency training
There are two parts to this. The theoretical part will include the law module (to make sure you understand the law) and then there are the specific proficiencies (handgun/shotgun/manually operated rifle/self loading rifle) that will teach you how to safely handle and use the specific type of firearms. You will write a test at the end that you must pass. This is just to test your knowledge.
The law states that you may only use a handgun or manual shotgun for self defence, so if that is the only thing you are going to use your firearm for, I would recommend to at least get those two. If you think that you might take part in hunting or sport shooting in the future, I would then recommend to do everything and get it done with. The process is slow and can be a bit painful, so its better to do everything at once.
The training will also include a practical part where you will have to hit a target with your chosen type of firearm(or all of them). Don't worry, the training provider will guide you through this and supply the firearm/s.

When all of this is done you will get a training certificate and a statement of results as issued by the accredited SETA which is PFTC (Proffesional Firearms Trainers Council).

Step 2: Apply to be declared competent
You hand in your application for a Competency Certificate (SAPS 517) at your nearest police stations' firearms office. The person who handles this is the Designated Firearms Officer (DFO). He will become your best friend, so don't antagonize him.
He will take your fingerprints and send everything off to the Central Firearms Register (CFR) that will process the application. They do a Criminal Record Check on you and this takes time as they manually scan the fingerprints (this is not CSI!).
This step can take around 3 three months.

Step 3: Buy a firearm and apply for a license
This is not 'murica. You won't be walking away with a gun after you buy it.
When you buy your firearm, the dealer will keep it in his safe until your license is approved and you can produce your license card to said dealer. He will give you the necessary paperwork which should be a SAPS350(b) form as well as the SAPS 271 form. You fill in your personal details and then hand it in to your DFO. He will visit your house to make sure you have the necessary SABS approved safe installed. This then goes to CFR to be processed. This can take anything from 3 months to a year, depending on CFR.

As part of this step you'll have to "motivate" a need for the firearm. There are a lot of people advertising services to write this motivation for you. Tread carefully here as most of them just copy and paste some fluff in there. You can write your own. Be honest. For self defence it helps if you add crime statistics for your area or if you have to travel through dodgy areas. Just remember to give proof of everything you say. If you say that crime is bad in your area, add stats and even newspaper clippings. Strictly speaking this shouldn't be necessary, but CFR is full of crap and they make "rules" up as they go along.

Step 4: You are now (hopefully) licensed.
After your application is approved, you can collect your license card and then off to the gunshop to pick up your firearm.

Usually Step 2 and Step 3 can be handed in together. Both your applications will move together to CFR. Your firearms license will at some stage stop and wait until your competency is approved. As soon as its approved the license approval goes much quicker. My competency and license app took just under 4 calendar months (three for competency, 1 for license).
Some DFO's however will not accept both applications at the same time and then these steps happens one after another and the process will take a minimum of 6 months if you are lucky.

Carrying a firearm for self defence is a great responsibility and it is a lifestyle choice. Don't buy it and leave it in a safe, as there will never be enough time to run and get it. Carry it with you (concealed, to be safe no one should know you carry) and practice regularly. There are some nice clubs down in Cape Town.

For forms and info you can visit the SAPS Firearms, Liquor and Seconds Hands Goods (FLASH) website here :http://www.saps.gov.za/services/flash/firearms.php

Even if you are not planning on joining them, the National Shooting Association has some excellent info:
http://www.natshoot.co.za/page/firearms-licensing

If anything is unclear, drop me a PM and I'll try and sort you out.

Regarding your firearm, I can also point out what are decent choices. Because in South Africa we are limited to what is available and what support is available, some brands are better choices. This is especially true for spare part availability. This is a mechanical object and sometimes stuff breaks on mechanical objects.
 
A bit more detail:

You go to a registered firearm's dealer and pay to do your competency (I'm assuming it's a Sec13 (personal self defense)). They'll give you a book to study- it'll have an open book test which you'll do at home and a closed book test (you'll have to book a time to do this test with them once you've studied the material). You'll also have to do a competency shoot at their premises on the same day as you write the test..

If you pass, they'll issue you with a competency certificate.
You'll need to submit this plus other docs (can't remember all of them to be exact but it's things like ID photos/fingerpints etc) to the dedicated firearms officer (DFO) at your local police station.
They'll send it to a central police station in your province (referred to as provincial).
It then gets sent to Central Firearms Registry(CFR) in Pretoria.
CFR then do criminal background check on you etc...
Once you've called CFR a gazillion times (012 353 6111) and they've confirmed that your competency is finalised, you go back to your local cop shop to the DFO and they'll print out the competency cert.

At this point you'll need to purchase the firearm (will be kept at firearm dealer until you get your license) and a safe (install it).
You'll then submit the police competency with a motivation letter as to why you need to own a firearm. Don't mess the motivation letter up - you'll need to include crime stats for the area where you live plus any other relevant newspaper clippings + colour images of your safe.
Then it goes through the same process as competency except once it's approved, they have to print a card at the CFR.
The card then gets sent to provincial and then your local DFO collects it.
At this point, they should call you to inform you that it's ready for collection.

You can then go pick up the card and then your firearm.

It's a long and drawn out process but if your DFO is efficient, it can speed up the process. I've heard of horror stories where competency app's lie on their desk for weeks before they're sent to provincial.

Shout if you need more help.

There's also gunsite.co.za - this should give you an idea of time frames:

Competency waiting times

License waiting times
 
Here is a lengthy post I wrote a year or two ago. There is only one difference. Since February 2016, you cannot apply for competency and license at the same time. You first need to apply for competency and after receiving it, then you can apply for the actual license.

I thought my post was good- you took it to another level... :D

You can no longer hand in competency and license at the same time- apparently this is a rule that all DFO's need to adhere to.
 
I thought my post was good- you took it to another level... :D

You can no longer hand in competency and license at the same time- apparently this is a rule that all DFO's need to adhere to.

I know. Have another look at my post, right above the quote, and you'll see that I did in fact mention that... :-)
 
I recently did my renewl in Oct 2016. This is the time it took,

Application for renewal: Oct 2016
Approval date: June 2017
Card issue date: Unknown
 
I recently did my renewl in Oct 2016. This is the time it took,

Application for renewal: Oct 2016
Approval date: June 2017
Card issue date: Unknown

Fark me, on a renewal?
WTF?!?! First applications I can understand but a renewal taking this long? What happens to the firearm if you pass the renewal date?
 
Fark me, on a renewal?
WTF?!?! First applications I can understand but a renewal taking this long? What happens to the firearm if you pass the renewal date?

I asked the same question. I asked them if my current one expires while im awaiting renewal then must i hand my firearm into station while the renewal is pending. Was told no and that i must just keep receipt to prove i have applied for renewal. go figure.........

Edit: I did both competency renewal and license renewal same day.
 
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I asked the same question. I asked them if my current one expires while im awaiting renewal then must i hand my firearm into station while the renewal is pending. Was told no and that i must just keep receipt to prove i have applied for renewal. go figure.........

Edit: I did both competency renewal and license renewal same day.

Competency you have to renew now as well? Only on a License I think, the Competency itself should not expire. Fark, I hope not... No way I'm doing all again. I did 3 Carbine, Handgun and Shotgun. Only using the Handgun one now. I would be pissed off if I needed to renew the other two if I'm not using it or have to do it over because I didn't...
 
Competency you have to renew now as well? Only on a License I think, the Competency itself should not expire. Fark, I hope not... No way I'm doing all again. I did 3 Carbine, Handgun and Shotgun. Only using the Handgun one now. I would be pissed off if I needed to renew the other two if I'm not using it or have to do it over because I didn't...

Yip. Had to renew both. but its just paperwork. You dont need to redo training. just fill out the forms again and pay your R70 for certificate renewal and r70 for license renewal. My license was aproved about 1 week after my competency approval.
 
Competency you have to renew now as well? Only on a License I think, the Competency itself should not expire. Fark, I hope not... No way I'm doing all again. I did 3 Carbine, Handgun and Shotgun. Only using the Handgun one now. I would be pissed off if I needed to renew the other two if I'm not using it or have to do it over because I didn't...

Yip. Had to renew both. but its just paperwork. You dont need to redo training. just fill out the forms again and pay your R70 for certificate renewal and r70 for license renewal. My license was aproved about 1 week after my competency approval.

Yip, as long as you have proof that you have applied for the renewal in time, then you're good and cannot be held responsible for CFR's inability to process your renewal in time.

WRT the competency renewal. Various legal opinions agree (this is after a court case a year or 3 ago) that the competency certificate type is valid while you have a valid license of the same type. Thus, your handgun competency is valid while you have a valid license for a handgun. Thus if you renew your license before the competency certificate expires, then it should stay valid. This works well in theory, but is almost impossible in practice because of the absolutely atrocious manner in which the competency system has been implemented. For instance, my first competency has my handgun, shotgun and manual rifle on the same certificate (with a single certificate number), while I only have a license for a handgun and shotgun (no rifle yet). So if the above renewal works, I don't have to renew the handgun and shotgun parts while I have valid licenses, but I will have to renew the rifle competency. But how do I renew the rifle competency only, since it is on the same certificate number as the other competencies.

This whole system is broken and SAPS/CRF is unwilling to try and fix it.
 
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