Fireplace advice

Happy doggies you have there! Really beautiful setup yoou have there. Arnt you worried its a bit close to the tv?

Happy with the thermofan?
Tv - not at all (although I did burn the Egyptian plaster off the back wall and had to add the backing tile after)

Thermofan is great it a) really moves the heat around the room and b) stops the cats being retarded and jumping on the fireplace

Dogs were very hesitant / scared of the fireplace at first - but after some time they grew to love it and almost cause themselves to overheat by sitting as close to it as they can

I’ll answer some of your other questions when at a pc but “one poster” did a great job at echo’ing a lot of my own thoughts.
 
anything popping out on why they would be a bad idea?
don't know about bad idea but two things that I would do homework on are:

1) operating ease/instructions - especially the secondary air adjustment looks to have two adjusters (one below and one above the door) but in a potentially awkward place to reach (you will not fiddle with it every couple of minutes but the position will probably put me off)


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2) not finding an easy answer but the stove/s might have thermal/clay/tile lining the firebox. Pros and cons if it does. Being in the southern tip of Africa finding replacements can be a hassle (made worse by us often ending up with end-of-life/unpopular products. The lining/tiles should last long but likely will need replacement from normal wear and tear at some stage (and sooner if you have bad luck and it just cracks unexpectedly).

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inside pic from here -> https://www.gr8fires.co.uk/thorma-bozen-5-kw-black-multi-fuel-wood-burning-stove

Btw, the UK site linked above also gives the following clearance distances (but they seem to only have the rear flue exit version so the rear clearance could be different on the top exit version) :

Rear 400mm
Sides 400mm
Front 800mm

If staying with these I would probably choose the Verona model with the slots on the top. This should allow the air on the side of the firebox to heat up and exit those vents rather than just having to heat up the top cover so it might heat up a space a bit quicker.
 
don't know about bad idea but two things that I would do homework on are:

1) operating ease/instructions - especially the secondary air adjustment looks to have two adjusters (one below and one above the door) but in a potentially awkward place to reach (you will not fiddle with it every couple of minutes but the position will probably put me off)


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2) not finding an easy answer but the stove/s might have thermal/clay/tile lining the firebox. Pros and cons if it does. Being in the southern tip of Africa finding replacements can be a hassle (made worse by us often ending up with end-of-life/unpopular products. The lining/tiles should last long but likely will need replacement from normal wear and tear at some stage (and sooner if you have bad luck and it just cracks unexpectedly).

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inside pic from here -> https://www.gr8fires.co.uk/thorma-bozen-5-kw-black-multi-fuel-wood-burning-stove

Btw, the UK site linked above also gives the following clearance distances (but they seem to only have the rear flue exit version so the rear clearance could be different on the top exit version) :

Rear 400mm
Sides 400mm
Front 800mm

If staying with these I would probably choose the Verona model with the slots on the top. This should allow the air on the side of the firebox to heat up and exit those vents rather than just having to heat up the top cover so it might heat up a space a bit quicker.
Thanks for the input much appreciated will def bear that in mind, def leaning towards the verona model as well. Will have another look this afternoon and pull the trigger :)
 
Greetings

Might be worth my while to ask my question here.
I want to add a fireplace to this area in my house. (see pic below)

Any advise? I want a wood burning closed combustion stove. My plan is to reuse the current fireplace "spot" as-is and simply have the stove stand there with the flue heading up the existing chimney (using rear flue exit on the stove with an elbow to allow sweeping in future).

1pxr-JPc.jpg


Note the fireplace tapers towards the back.

Given the dimensions and recommended clearances, in my research in the past I have narrowed it down to something like this:

Any advise/alternate unit recommendations would be appreciated.
 
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Anyone know of any good firewood (blackwattle) pref suppliers in Pretoria region aiming for bulk buy
 
4 YEARS later and we are back here again :p

Took some detours installed solar etc. But we return to the fireplace on the first really cold weekend in Gauteng.

So two years after my OP we stayed in some beautiful accommodation in Stellies just before hard lock down with one of these


It worked beautifully easy to clean, started pretty instantly, I have never had a fireplace heat an area as quick as this.

Now just before we continue with the post I do realise that there are other ways to heat the house, aircon, gas etc.

But there is just something that cant beat a fireplace IMO esp when ascetics come into play.

I have some questions now that this is becoming a bit more serious consideration.

1. What is the best source of fuel for the fireplace? wood/anthracite?
2. How much fuel can I expect to use? Any wood better, black wattle/bluegum etc
3. Current floor is tile and wall is brick, plaster and paint. Do I need to do anything to protect these?
4. Any reason I should just stop and do nothing- essentially did you get a fireplace and now regret it?
1.) I use wood - Anthracite is dirty, sometimes hard to source and difficult to light.
2.) It depends how hot you want the fire, but roughly I use 10-20 pieces a night depending on how long / hot I let the burn run for
3.) I cracked some of the bad crete stone / egyptian plaster at the back, so I had to end up tiling. You could tile, or you could lay down a slab of something e.g. patio pavers, brick, heat glass etc
4.) No - I don't regret my fireplace for one minute.

Things I've learnt over time:

- Fireplaces need some maintenance: emptying (lots of ash for the garden), polishing, chimney sweeps.

- Wood - you need storage. I often buy 2000-3000 pieces a year and mix it between the fireplace and the braai. I often leave the remaining 1000 to season for next year so I have proper DRY, NON GREEN wood.

- Wood - buy in summer when it's cheap: +-R800-R900 for 1000 pieces of bluegum, in winter this can jump to +-R1500 for 1000 pieces (and you largely get green wood....)

- Wood - some things you can't / shouldn't burn - e.g. treated woods, pine or green - these can leave creosote in your chimney / leave you at risk of a chimney fire.

- Wood - carrying wood is a pain, keep a crate / dolly you can easily rotate with

- Wood - keep a dry stash that you can rotate if your other wood is all stored outside in the open

- Your wife - will shout at you when she says you buying a lot of wood, but won't complain when you burn it

- Cooking - get something with a flat top on top, that way you can use a kettle / pan / flat potjie if you like

- Themofan - great, grab one it really spreads the heat

- Installation - get a reliable company to do this and DOUBLE INSULATE in the ceiling / roof, so you're not at risk of a damn fire....

- Installation - determine whether you want a back flu or a top flu - depending on if you want to see the flu or not etc.

- Flu - For every meter of flu inside the house, you can add another 1kw of energy on top of your stoves rating, so factor that in when you're determining how many kw you need.
 
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Greetings

Might be worth my while to ask my question here.
I want to add a fireplace to this area in my house. (see pic below)

Any advise? I want a wood burning closed combustion stove. My plan is to reuse the current fireplace "spot" as-is and simply have the stove stand there with the flue heading up the existing chimney (using rear flue exit on the stove with an elbow to allow sweeping in future).

1pxr-JPc.jpg


Note the fireplace tapers towards the back.

Given the dimensions and recommended clearances, in my research in the past I have narrowed it down to something like this:

Any advise/alternate unit recommendations would be appreciated.
Dovre, Godin, Kratky, Charnwood are all great solid old brands.

I prefer cast iron over steel - as it's solid and going to outlast me.

As for re-using an existing fireplace, you're going to lose the +-1kw heat per meter that your flu gives off, so you may want to go for a bigger unit - that being said if it were me i'd use the fireplace slot if waterproofed etc as building changes are going to suck.

On a side note I can happily recommend gcfires.co.za - they did my install and the quality of their work is great.
 
I plan on getting the fan too when fireplace is installed here you go


Thx. Searching and nothing comes up then I wonder how I still have my job :)
 
Thanks all for the help order placed for one of these from home fires

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Installation taking place in 2 weeks time - looking forward to a cosy winter. Now i have two weeks to source wood :)

 
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Greetings

Might be worth my while to ask my question here.
I want to add a fireplace to this area in my house. (see pic below)

Any advise? I want a wood burning closed combustion stove. My plan is to reuse the current fireplace "spot" as-is and simply have the stove stand there with the flue heading up the existing chimney (using rear flue exit on the stove with an elbow to allow sweeping in future).

1pxr-JPc.jpg


Note the fireplace tapers towards the back.

Given the dimensions and recommended clearances, in my research in the past I have narrowed it down to something like this:

Any advise/alternate unit recommendations would be appreciated.
Remember that most of the heating with these stoves comes from convection, not much air gets to move around the room from inside a fireplace.
 
Guy coming in to tomorrow to service my fireplace and chimney sweep. 950

Time to turn the bugger on.

Sorry to derail thread, but some of the posters talked about their fireplace having a fan or placing a fan strategically to move the hot air around.

My mate from the UK, had told me about this a few years ago and also recommended that I replace the top of my fireplace with a thick piece of metal as it would absorb the heat and distribute over a longer time. Thinking maybe it's time do consider this too.

Anyone care to share pic of said fan as I recall mate saying it was a fan designed to be near heat?

Ta in advance

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Mine has a built in 2-speed fan.

The fan pushes heat out the bottom of the unit

Edit: this is mine: https://www.lacunza.co.za/products/built-in/midi-700-insert
 
1.) I use wood - Anthracite is dirty, sometimes hard to source and difficult to light.
2.) It depends how hot you want the fire, but roughly I use 10-20 pieces a night depending on how long / hot I let the burn run for
3.) I cracked some of the bad crete stone / egyptian plaster at the back, so I had to end up tiling. You could tile, or you could lay down a slab of something e.g. patio pavers, brick, heat glass etc
4.) No - I don't regret my fireplace for one minute.

Things I've learnt over time:

- Fireplaces need some maintenance: emptying (lots of ash for the garden), polishing, chimney sweeps.

- Wood - you need storage. I often buy 2000-3000 pieces a year and mix it between the fireplace and the braai. I often leave the remaining 1000 to season for next year so I have proper DRY, NON GREEN wood.

- Wood - buy in summer when it's cheap: +-R800-R900 for 1000 pieces of bluegum, in winter this can jump to +-R1500 for 1000 pieces (and you largely get green wood....)

- Wood - some things you can't / shouldn't burn - e.g. treated woods, pine or green - these can leave creosote in your chimney / leave you at risk of a chimney fire.

- Wood - carrying wood is a pain, keep a crate / dolly you can easily rotate with

- Wood - keep a dry stash that you can rotate if your other wood is all stored outside in the open

- Your wife - will shout at you when she says you buying a lot of wood, but won't complain when you burn it

- Cooking - get something with a flat top on top, that way you can use a kettle / pan / flat potjie if you like

- Themofan - great, grab one it really spreads the heat

- Installation - get a reliable company to do this and DOUBLE INSULATE in the ceiling / roof, so you're not at risk of a damn fire....

- Installation - determine whether you want a back flu or a top flu - depending on if you want to see the flu or not etc.

- Flu - For every meter of flu inside the house, you can add another 1kw of energy on top of your stoves rating, so factor that in when you're determining how many kw you need.
Great list.

Another cheap albeit huge quality of life improver are a cheap pair of elbow length welding gloves.

They make filling the crate and feeding the fire a breeze.
 
Great list.

Another cheap albeit huge quality of life improver are a cheap pair of elbow length welding gloves.

They make filling the crate and feeding the fire a breeze.
100% I use these when topping up the wood on my offset smoker
 
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Any advise/alternate unit recommendations would be appreciated.
If intending to have the stove largely inside the fireplace I think you will lose some of the heating output from the stove and as pointed out especially losing on the extra heat from the exposed flue. You probably want to avoid renovating but to retain extra heat from the flue you could also have a top exit stove and do a bend into the chimney just below the ceiling. (but that install and loss of floor space will probably be close to just getting rid of the fireplace in any case).

If going the route of stove inside the fireplace I would still close of as much of the existing chimney as close as possible to the stove - flue heating air in the chimney might suck some of the room air up the chimney leading to heat loss.

Even with a stove mostly inside the exisitng fireplace you will probably still need to have some protection on the carpet - I have had the odd ember relocate to some area outside the stove while adding fresh logs (mostly small embers that stuck to the tongs that fall off).
 
Not to derail looking to buy bulk dry wood for my fireplace Jhb Area at a good price ,left it late though...tx
 
Not derailing at all I need this info too :)
Check out Dove Distributors for firewood firelighters and briquettes etc.


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