Fireworks - festive fun or unnecessary nuisance?

[Mirai]

No it's called a society where we don't have people throwing explosives around when ever they feel like it cause they want to see pretty colours.

No. People throw explosives around because they find meaning in that. Lupus, you don't get to decide what some people find value in. You find value maybe in dogs and cats, others want those fireworks. In a healthy society with mutual respect we find compromise. That means we understand each other. For 99.9% of the time we don't throw explosives around but maybe on New Year or Guy Fawkes or Diwali, we do.

You want that sure, properly organised with safety measures. Not in the middle of a suburb. It's the same as when your neighbour is a dick and plays his music loudly or runs generators till late at night. Society has rules,

And we allow people to play loud music till late on New Years eve while we don't do the same on a normal work night. There are rules and as part of the rules we have exceptions because we are DIVERSE. Some people find meaning in this, others don't find meaning in this and find meaning in that. There is freedom and so because we can't have explosives 24/7 and there is no such legitimate tradition anyway, we have them on certain particular occasions where people find pleasure and meaning in participating in those colourful explosions. And then come others who don't see that and only want to dictate to them.

you want to live in one follow as much as possible.
You want pretty bang bang, organise it properly and have it done correctly. Fireworks don't only effect animals, houses have burnt down, kids have been hurt or doesn't that bother you either cause it's your so called right to make pretty bangs??

Yes all such bad things can happen. But that's part of life. As with all things, they should be safe. This isn't mostly about safety, this is a pet thing. Dogs should also be safe. There are cases of dogs mauling children and dogs spreading rabies. Do we now say -- no more dogs, it's too dangerous?

 

[Mirai]

According to a lot on here this is fine

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They've never had bad stuff happen to them, so it's okay to have fireworks as long as they haven't been effected ever.

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[Mirai]

Some pet owners are concerned about wildlife. But what is the impact of their pets on wildlife?

Domestic pets, primarily cats, kill
billions of wild animals annually, with estimates in the U.S. reaching 1.4–3.7 billion birds and 6.9–20.7 billion mammals, while Australia sees around 390 million animals killed by pet cats yearly, highlighting their significant impact, especially with feral populations contributing the most, but even indoor pets killing many native species.

 

[Mirai]

 

[rustypup]

we grew up with many dogs and I set off maaaany fireworks all year round,

Yip. We get it. You habitually abuse animals.

How is that a great argument?

You do get that their hearing is orders of magnitude greater than ours?

 

[Herr der Verboten]

To come clean my yard?

I'll send João de Deus right over

 

[Moosedrool]

 

[MaxQz]

There's nothing special about fireworks and the firework displays in whatever form or event. I find it dull and unappealing, and fooking noisy. It should be completely banned, but we know how that will turn out. They could rather just do those laser light displays.

 

[Smiggles]

There's nothing special about fireworks and the firework displays in whatever form or event. I find it dull and unappealing, and fooking noisy. It should be completely banned, but we know how that will turn out. They could rather just do those laser light displays.

Yes light pollution is much better.

 

[Mirai]

There's nothing special about fireworks and the firework displays in whatever form or event. I find it dull and unappealing, and fooking noisy. It should be completely banned, but we know how that will turn out. They could rather just do those laser light displays.

If we believe in tolerance and diversity, we should allow those who do, the opportunity to have their 30 minutes or what have you in a safe way. I don't really care much for fireworks myself but I dislike people trying to control others. There have been countless times when I've had to put up with neighbours dogs or cats or sometimes even messes left on the ground on public pavements. I think pet owners need to really understand that the world can't revolve around them.

And there are always exceptions. Maybe you live next to a reserve. Fine. Maybe you are a hospital or an old age home, fine. Maybe there is a petrol station close by or an ammo depot. Fine. But in most cases that's really not the case. Fireworks are a tradition for some and are an aspect of the human experience. It would also be sad to see them completely disappear because some peoples' best life is more important than others.

 

[Drake2007]

If community groups are anything to go by, we must think of the poor animals on Diwali.

But the animals must be used to the fireworks on Guy Fawkes, Christmas and New Years, because there are no complaints when people light fireworks on those days...

Where exactly does the wildlife get to lodge their complaints?

 

[Zellephant]

Where exactly does the wildlife get to lodge their complaints?

They don’t. Just like the Khoisan, their rights don’t matter. Only the rightful residents rights matter

 

[TheMightyQuin]

No, I don't have pets,

STFU then.....

At least do some research or back your points up. I've provided links to peer reviewed studies.

Fireworks affect ALL wildlife you say? ALL....?

I'm sure there is a parakeet in the Amazon jungle that had a quiet NY eve without fireworks. I'm sure there was a leopard seal in the Antarctica that wasn't stressed about some big bangs. I'm 110% sure there was a komodo dragon in the Philipines that snoozed right past 12am...

Stop whining and talking absolute schit.

 

[TheMightyQuin]

Its ultimately relatively easy to police if you start targeting the supply chain rather than the end user.

Yes, 10% of what normally was sold will still get through, but at that point it becomes considerably easier to trace that 10% on the next pass, or once it gets used by a person.

Most fireworks shot off here, come illegally from Germany and Poland. Especially the sought after F3 and F4 category stuff.

People buy carloads of the stuff and drive back here. The cops catch maybe 1 % of them. So the supply chain cannot be targeted by the Dutch police at all.

And how do you trace used fireworks?

 

[TheMightyQuin]

It's not just pets... it's animals in general. Plus you know you live in this thing called a society, there is a lot of things that get dictated to by others. You're welcome to go find a cabin away from it.

Indeed. A lot of pet owners actually do that.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Most fireworks shot off here, come illegally from Germany and Poland. Especially the sought after F3 and F4 category stuff.

People buy carloads of the stuff and drive back here. The cops catch maybe 1 % of them. So the supply chain cannot be targeted by the Dutch police at all.

And how do you trace used fireworks?

Ahhhh ok in Europe, much harder. Here much easier because they have to come in via our ports.

By watching where they've been set off from, its not rocket science.

 

[TheMightyQuin]

Ahhhh ok in Europe, much harder. Here much easier because they have to come in via our ports.

By watching where they've been set off from, its not rocket science.

Hahahahaha...really?

C'mon...millions of rockets go up in the sky at 12 and you think cops can race all over the city and find points of origin?

People stand in the streets and on squares and parks and shoot of fireworks. You set fire to a fuse and run away for 10 meters or so and stand with the other 100 people. The rockets goes boom!!! and the cops arrive 20 minutes later. And do what exactly?

Now multiply this by a million.

Look at this and tell me that you can police this by "watching where they've been set off from:

 

[ToxicBunny]

Hahahahaha...really?

C'mon...millions of rockets go up in the sky at 12 and you think cops can race all over the city and find points of origin?

People stand in the streets and on squares and parks and shoot of fireworks. You set fire to a fuse and run away for 10 meters or so and stand with the other 100 people. The rockets goes boom!!! and the cops arrive 20 minutes later. And do what exactly?

Now multiply this by a million.

Look at this and tell me that you can police this by "watching where they've been set off from:

Fsck me, you aren't very bright today are you.

Did you miss the point of getting the supply chain under control, then you don't have millions going up into the air, you have a much smaller number.

 

[TheMightyQuin]

Fsck me, you aren't very bright today are you.

Did you miss the point of getting the supply chain under control, then you don't have millions going up into the air, you have a much smaller number.

Calm down, it's only an internet discussion.

We've covered the supply chain issue already have we not?

And why are you suddenly changing your policing tactics? You said it's not rocket science to trace the fireworks to from where they were set off.

When I showed you a small example of why that is impossible, you resort to insults and than to shifting the goalposts again.

Do better....

 

[ToxicBunny]

Calm down, it's only an internet discussion.

We've covered the supply chain issue already have we not?

And why are you suddenly changing your policing tactics? You said it's not rocket science to trace the fireworks to from where they were set off.

When I showed you a small example of why that is impossible, you resort to insults and than to shifting the goalposts again.

Do better....

OK boss...

Do better in understanding a discussion but we know that's difficult for you at times.