First Macbook

Shardie said:
Dont u like OSX?
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Nope. I love the hardware thou :)

I did run Lion for like 6 months - just browsing with Opera and the odd photoshop/dreamweaver edit or two. The OS was crawling after a couple months. Windows on the other hand was fine.
 
ponder said:
Those OS X fonts are seriously fuzzy. I reckon they were designed by Steve while tripping on substances.
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In my experience the only fuzziness is when you're not running the display at full resolution. Natively, the fonts are crystal clear.
 
ponder said:
Those OS X fonts are seriously fuzzy. I reckon they were designed by Steve while tripping on substances.
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Did you run OSX on a proper mac or was it a hackintosh using a TN panel? I also found it unpleasant when i initially changed to OSX, but your eyes quickly adjust - especially when viewed on a good IPS display - to the point that afterwards windows fonts just look skinny and less true to the actual font shapes. Each OS renders fonts with a different rendering goal in mind. OSX tries to render the fonts as close to the actual font designs as possible, with windows choosing to alter it to fit the pixel grid a bit more. It's really right both ways, and more a question of taste.

Running an actual Apple product with a decent display does make a difference. You never really see anyone ever complain about the text on the iphone or ipad. On a good IPS display i prefer to see the font as they were originally designed. Windows fonts look skinny and jagged to me.
 
bwana said:
In my experience the only fuzziness is when you're not running the display at full resolution. Natively, the fonts are crystal clear.
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It;s because your eyes have adjusted. Go boot up windows and you will notice how different the fonts look. To me the change is quite unpleasant once you have made the transition to mac.
 
Zyzzyva said:
It;s because your eyes have adjusted. Go boot up windows and you will notice how different the fonts look. To me the change is quite unpleasant once you have made the transition to mac.
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The fonts are rendered differently between the two platforms but I would never call OS X's rendering fuzzy.
 
icyrus said:
The fonts are rendered differently between the two platforms but I would never call OS X's rendering fuzzy.
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I think the point i probably didn't make very clear above is the display and its setup makes a big difference to way the fonts look. On real macs everything is finely tuned and looks very good imho, but on a hackintosh with a cheap poorly calibrated TN panel you might use the word fuzzy if you were a windows user making the transition without understanding the reasons for the font rendering difference.
 
Zyzzyva said:
It;s because your eyes have adjusted. Go boot up windows and you will notice how different the fonts look. To me the change is quite unpleasant once you have made the transition to mac.
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Get glasses. :) It might be your eyes and not the screen.

The thing is that we are used to sharp jagged fonts, much like a raster image, on Windows. OS X renders it more like a vector, making it look smoother, or otherwise, to the untrained eye, fuzzy. The great thing is that if you are really uncomfortable, you should be able to change text size on most of the applications.
 
creeper said:
Get glasses. :) It might be your eyes and not the screen.

The thing is that we are used to sharp jagged fonts, much like a raster image, on Windows. OS X renders it more like a vector, making it look smoother, or otherwise, to the untrained eye, fuzzy. The great thing is that if you are really uncomfortable, you should be able to change text size on most of the applications.
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Yeah exactly. It's an incorrect view that they are fuzzy, but an understandable perceptual mistake for some users making the transition from windows to mac. As a long time mac user mac fonts just look far better than windows fonts to me. But it can take some time to make the adjustment, especially when jumping to a hackintosh using a crap display.
 
creeper said:
I'm the opposite. Been using OS X for 2 years, now have to work on Windows 7. The problem is that OS X is a a :drag and drop, swipe: type operating system, whereas WIndows is a "click / double click" operating system. I found that OS X was a learning curve, but after getting use to it, it is more "natural" Especially the 4 and 5 finger swipe. So combining a Mac mouse with the trackpad, working between applications is a breeze in OS X.
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You can use the right mouse button in OSX. You can use double clicks in OSX. I use OSX like I use Windows with right click context menus. I don't like the touchpad. The only difference is that things work more smoothly most of the time. To each their own.
 
Gushesh said:
Thanks all for the support. My Mac arrived yesterday and what a beauty it is, i am in love :)
OSX takes some getting used to and it will be a while until i am fluent with it but i enjoy how versatile and powerful it is.
I can see myself needing windows less and less, mostly just for dev tools that don't run on OSX.

Some annoying things are finding out how to do the simplest tasks such as right click for context menus, shortcuts to refresh webpages and how to get the resolution in my windows VM to stick, it keeps changing to a higher res.

Performance is excellent, i would definitely recommend the SSD and 16GB RAM, it starts up from cold in seconds and performance of VMs is excellent.



Not sure what the extra RAM cost but the whole deal was £1500 from Apple online.
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Congrats on the MBP! Everyone on a forum is entitled to their own opinion obviously but don't be tempted to give up on OSX. I've been an Windows user since 3.1 and I still run it in Parallels today. It's a necessary "evil" unfortunately.

OSX, like IOS, is an intuitive interface but you have to free your mind from the crap you've been staring at in the form of Windows XP, Windows 7 and possibly even Windows 8. Things work differently in OSX. Its not a perfect transition from one to other due to obvious differences, but allow yourself the time to adapt. It the lack of an intuitive interface that makes the naturally intuitive interface in OSX appear to be less intuitive than windows. I hope that makes sense.

I'll be the first to admit that when I first got started with iTunes on Windows I freakin hated it!!! It (via my commands) destroyed my entire music collection and I instantly hated Apple. I wonder how many people on this forum, that are so negative towards Apple tech started their hatred campaign in the same way.

I eventually realised that iTunes wasn't the problem and I adjusted my perception. "Ummm try including ID3 tags in your music collection, dufus" was the message I got loud and clear from iTunes and slowly but surely I started changing the way I thought about things that initially seemed an obvious software fault. You see, I wasn't thinking about the benefits of ID3 tags and how it would enhance my music experience. Windows Media player lets me play anything on my hard disk. I never really had to consider the benefits of applying a bit more effort to experience the massive benefits of tagging.

OSX is like that. Only difference is that stuff will frustrate you unless you take the time to understand the reasons that frustration exists. Then the doors of perception will fling wide open.

Windows does not allow that perspective, perspective that's needed to adjust user behaviour. In Windows, intuition is not really needed. The interface is rigid and fixed enough make to sure you only do what you ought to be doing. Everything is served to you in black or white.

Double click and something opens, something plays, something will happen. Click start menu and you can do something.

I've tried my best to explain it, but in summary. Since using OSX, I feel free and unconstrained.
 
Zyzzyva said:
Yeah exactly. It's an incorrect view that they are fuzzy, but an understandable perceptual mistake for some users making the transition from windows to mac. As a long time mac user mac fonts just look far better than windows fonts to me. But it can take some time to make the adjustment, especially when jumping to a hackintosh using a crap display.
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I'm sorry they still look fuzzy to me. Changing global font config on os x is also a pita, you need a 3rd party app. Yes windows fonts are pretty crap but font rendering on linux beats them both hands down, have a look at the ubuntu (i don't use it) font config for example.

It's got zip to do with using a branded Apple monitor or a 30" Dell IPS display, it's the rendering.
 
I eventually realised that iTunes wasn't the problem and I adjusted my perception
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Translation: If I try really hard I'll make blue look like green to myself. Seriously, maybe you should choose your words better.
 
stricken said:
you'll spend 10 minutes with it and start blaming windows for being the evil stepmother that has held you captive with no sweeties for all this time.

and from now on when you hear / read about some issue someone is having with their PC you'll take a deep breathe and simply say : "windows... there's your problem"
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Yeah...
I have a MBP lying on my desk, its so useless to me that it just lies there. I thought about installing windows on it using bootcamp but feel that defeats the whole object.
osx is great if you do some web browsing and email but useless if you want to actually do some work.
 
Rocket-Boy said:
Yeah...
I have a MBP lying on my desk, its so useless to me that it just lies there. I thought about installing windows on it using bootcamp but feel that defeats the whole object.
osx is great if you do some web browsing and email but useless if you want to actually do some work.
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It depends on the work. If you need Windows, either use bootcamp + Windows 7 license or get a WinTel machine.
 
Rocket-Boy said:
Yeah...
I have a MBP lying on my desk, its so useless to me that it just lies there. I thought about installing windows on it using bootcamp but feel that defeats the whole object.
osx is great if you do some web browsing and email but useless if you want to actually do some work.
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There's always Linux :D
 
ponder said:
There's always Linux :D
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But thats just the thing. I admin mostly linux systems and I was hoping mac was going to be a *nix based back end with a well thought out and slightly better desktop experience than current linux distros. Sadly the backend *nix was annoying and the frontend was lacking.
I really really wanted to like it, but I couldnt get it right.
 
Rocket-Boy said:
But thats just the thing. I admin mostly linux systems and I was hoping mac was going to be a *nix based back end with a well thought out and slightly better desktop experience than current linux distros. Sadly the backend *nix was annoying and the frontend was lacking.
I really really wanted to like it, but I couldnt get it right.
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I also tried to like it but no go. It's not bad, just not for me.
 
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