First time motorcycle insurance

A left field options is to buy a BWM G310GS and then use BWM's insurance. One crucial think to confirm with your insurance is if the are willing to cover falls while doing training on a track which BMW does from experience.
 
Always like that.

Just like ex smokers.

And almost definitely they blame their last off that broke them mentally on everything else but their own personal failures as to why it happened.

In the case of the wizard negativity is his entire world view. I have never witnessed a single positive statement come out of his keyboard.

Really, you didn't even bother reading most of it. I mean, if I have to quote my self, you will just embarrass your self. Considering I was driving motorcycles before half this forum was ever conceived, from the late 90's, before our crumbling infrastructure made the driving/riding condition a "tad" sketchy. Mini bus taxi's weren't as prominent, to be fair peak hour traffic was still bad but nothing compared today's peak hour.

But considering even back then, in the early 90's while staying in Sunnyside PTA, taxi's were driving like palooka's, it just got significantly worse, pending where you live, you could go from decent driving/riding conditions to atrocious conditions at best.
I can't even remember half the accidents I personally witness at that particular intersection, there are a couple of stand out skipping red light accidents, and people and body parts getting flung about, nothing quite like seeing a taxi getting air time spining around, hurtling backwards towards you and seeing people getting flung from the taxi, and a fat lady sitting in on the back seat getting ejected from the back window and the taxi proceeding to pushing/scraping the lady like a bad paint job on the road, hitting a park car getting airtime and landing with the back wheels directly on top off the fat ladies back. I didn't stick around long as my bus arrived, so can only assume there were a few deaths that day.

But I didn't even mention the crumbling railway infrastructure, which has led to the current pandemic of heavy goods vehicles on road, if you are close to feeder road systems or industrial areas you were shyte out of luck, as that was all you were going to get, but to the point not all driving/riding conditions are the same everywhere in the country, suburban areas outside main city centers makes for a significant quieter and easier commuting and working 6-6 shifts made it even better, and made for the best open road experiences given the time of day, it isn't without it hazards and faults, but it was mostly pleasant.


The place where I grew up and spend a decent chunk of my life were in the quiet suburban area in kempton park close to tembisa informal housing, it wasn't close it was 10's of KM's away in the distance, and then progressively crept closer and closer during time spend living in the area, as with everything in this country it got progressively worse and worse, were riding to work and coming from work during the 6-6 shifts were dangerous for an entirely different reason. Having survived an attempted hijacking on a bike with criminal scum shooting in front of you with their home made pistol, was probably the last straw, bike was a life saver as it made for a relative quick get away.

Besides that I was born with a naturally fused disc in my lower back, which was starting to act up, to the point where surgery was the only option, you haven't exprienced lower back pain like this, a slipped disc is nothing compared to a disintegration disc and having to deal with daily chronic pain, numbness in lower limbs as nerves occasionally get pinched, having numbness and loss of sensation on a bike is a hazard in it self, thankfully the specialist recommended trying core strengthening first, which kinda worked, but riding bikes as a daily driver wasn't doing it any good.

Thankfully I avoided surgery but still to this day, I still have chronic pain and numbness and there are days, were I am barely able to move about, additionally I moved to the country side, where towns are quite some distances from one another, it would actually be the perfect riding conditions if it weren't for the roads being as bad a condition as they are in, ask anyone that lives in the freestate about the condition of the R26. From the villiers all the way where it meets up with the N8 it probably the most laid back and fun ride you can have, you can also take a small detour via the golden gate national park, those twist and bends are some of the best in the entire country and the views are just as great.

The R26 is almost a 500Km long stretch of road of awesomeness adventure bikers can often be seen on this road, but they have become significantly less in recent years due to the worsening road conditions, more than half of the entire stretch is littered with potholes and generally poor roads surfaces, most of the times you will be driving on the side of the road due to it being safer.

So in the end it was compounding factors that let to my demise, you know what they say don't judge a book by it's cover. You just automatically assumed I "offed" and then decided not to ride again, you know what they say about assumptions don't you, that isn't even including South Africa having some of the worse drivers/riders in the world, and getting older.

Considering this, your delusional and most likely stuck in your own pocket dimension if you don't view our roads a significant and inevitable risk. But considering not a single person has provided contrary evidence that suggest or shows I am being overly cautious or paranoid you can all fk right off a clifty cliff cliff along with your preconceived notions of road safety, it won't happen to me and Darwin award. If the inexperienced OP wants to "off" him self that is his prerogative.
Any vehicular transport especially in this country should be viewed with a healthy dose of negativity and defensive driving. I mean there isn't a single instance where you can tell me our roads, in general is safe and aren't a significant higher risk

To be fair this article does skew the result for their own narrative, 43% of roads deaths are attributed to pedestrians


BTW FYI Since you brought up the subject of "driving"..... Drive implies being the one who is responsible for steering, accelerating, and operating the vehicle Ride, on the other hand, generally refers to being a passenger in a vehicle or traveling in a vehicle without being in control of its movement, it also depends in the context it used whether it is a noun or verb. You wouldn't say you drove your bike, you would say you rode your bike. Driving a motorcycle or speaking of the activity in general driving/riding can be used interchangeably. It isn't necessarily incorrect to use either, but it does depend on the context and how it is used. Saying using a motorcycle as daily driver is perfectly acceptable, you wouldn't say my daily rider, but if you want to sound pompous you could always say my daily mode of transport is a motorcycle.

Driving a motorcycle in some instances would be a perfectly acceptable use case. So meh, nice try though.


Final thoughts and good riddance.
But as I said previously, he might be perfectly fine, or he might not be perfectly fine, questioning his general safety and readiness might be unpopular, and given the people who would vehemently defend him and not question his choice, I at least know who to avoid riding with period, but given that people here are quick to nitpick ex riders, without reasonably questioning their reasoning behind or circumstances behind their choice, it doesn't mean the automatically they are the antichrist either given that there is always the crowd that are quick to jump to conclusions and what not, after all you are safely behind your online anonymity having a dig at someone is part of the course. This notion of viewing something with negativity garners the automatic relegation to the depths of hell as someone that is against it on this forum is a joke, and the opposite is true as well, you are not allowed to view anything with majority negativity in a positive light without getting lambasted for it. So meh......
 
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A left field options is to buy a BWM G310GS and then use BWM's insurance. One crucial think to confirm with your insurance is if the are willing to cover falls while doing training on a track which BMW does from experience.

Most every insurer does as long as you are doing training and racing, ie there’s no timing device on the track and you didn’t need a race license to be there.

But a BMW + their insurance may very well be a winner.
 
Really, you didn't even bother reading most of it. I mean, if I have to quote my self, you will just embarrass your self. Considering I was driving motorcycles before half this forum was ever conceived, from the late 90's, before our crumbling infrastructure made the driving/riding condition a "tad" sketchy. Mini bus taxi's weren't as prominent, to be fair peak hour traffic was still bad but nothing compared today's peak hour.

But considering even back then, in the early 90's while staying in Sunnyside PTA, taxi's were driving like palooka's, it just got significantly worse, pending where you live, you could go from decent driving/riding conditions to atrocious conditions at best.
I can't even remember half the accidents I personally witness at that particular intersection, there are a couple of stand out skipping red light accidents, and people and body parts getting flung about, nothing quite like seeing a taxi getting air time spining around, hurtling backwards towards you and seeing people getting flung from the taxi, and a fat lady sitting in on the back seat getting ejected from the back window and the taxi proceeding to pushing/scraping the lady like a bad paint job on the road, hitting a park car getting airtime and landing with the back wheels directly on top off the fat ladies back. I didn't stick around long as my bus arrived, so can only assume there were a few deaths that day.

But I didn't even mention the crumbling railway infrastructure, which has led to the current pandemic of heavy goods vehicles on road, if you are close to feeder road systems or industrial areas you were shyte out of luck, as that was all you were going to get, but to the point not all driving/riding conditions are the same everywhere in the country, suburban areas outside main city centers makes for a significant quieter and easier commuting and working 6-6 shifts made it even better, and made for the best open road experiences given the time of day, it isn't without it hazards and faults, but it was mostly pleasant.


The place where I grew up and spend a decent chunk of my life were in the quiet suburban area in kempton park close to tembisa informal housing, it wasn't close it was 10's of KM's away in the distance, and then progressively crept closer and closer during time spend living in the area, as with everything in this country it got progressively worse and worse, were riding to work and coming from work during the 6-6 shifts were dangerous for an entirely different reason. Having survived an attempted hijacking on a bike with criminal scum shooting in front of you with their home made pistol, was probably the last straw, bike was a life saver as it made for a relative quick get away.

Besides that I was born with a naturally fused disc in my lower back, which was starting to act up, to the point where surgery was the only option, you haven't exprienced lower back pain like this, a slipped disc is nothing compared to a disintegration disc and having to deal with daily chronic pain, numbness in lower limbs as nerves occasionally get pinched, having numbness and loss of sensation on a bike is a hazard in it self, thankfully the specialist recommended trying core strengthening first, which kinda worked, but riding bikes as a daily driver wasn't doing it any good.

Thankfully I avoided surgery but still to this day, I still have chronic pain and numbness and there are days, were I am barely able to move about, additionally I moved to the country side, where towns are quite some distances from one another, it would actually be the perfect riding conditions if it weren't for the roads being as bad a condition as they are in, ask anyone that lives in the freestate about the condition of the R26. From the villiers all the way where it meets up with the N8 it probably the most laid back and fun ride you can have, you can also take a small detour via the golden gate national park, those twist and bends are some of the best in the entire country and the views are just as great.

The R26 is almost a 500Km long stretch of road of awesomeness adventure bikers can often be seen on this road, but they have become significantly less in recent years due to the worsening road conditions, more than half of the entire stretch is littered with potholes and generally poor roads surfaces, most of the times you will be driving on the side of the road due to it being safer.

So in the end it was compounding factors that let to my demise, you know what they say don't judge a book by it's cover. You just automatically assumed I "offed" and then decided not to ride again, you know what they say about assumptions don't you, that isn't even including South Africa having some of the worse drivers/riders in the world, and getting older.

Considering this, your delusional and most likely stuck in your own pocket dimension if you don't view our roads a significant and inevitable risk. But considering not a single person has provided contrary evidence that suggest or shows I am being overly cautious or paranoid you can all fk right off a clifty cliff cliff along with your preconceived notions of road safety, it won't happen to me and Darwin award. If the inexperienced OP wants to "off" him self that is his prerogative.
Any vehicular transport especially in this country should be viewed with a healthy dose of negativity and defensive driving. I mean there isn't a single instance where you can tell me our roads, in general is safe and aren't a significant higher risk

To be fair this article does skew the result for their own narrative, 43% of roads deaths are attributed to pedestrians


BTW FYI Since you brought up the subject of "driving"..... Drive implies being the one who is responsible for steering, accelerating, and operating the vehicle Ride, on the other hand, generally refers to being a passenger in a vehicle or traveling in a vehicle without being in control of its movement, it also depends in the context it used whether it is a noun or verb. You wouldn't say you drove your bike, you would say you rode your bike. Driving a motorcycle or speaking of the activity in general driving/riding can be used interchangeably. It isn't necessarily incorrect to use either, but it does depend on the context and how it is used. Saying using a motorcycle as daily driver is perfectly acceptable, you wouldn't say my daily rider, but if you want to sound pompous you could always say my daily mode of transport is a motorcycle.

Driving a motorcycle in some instances would be a perfectly acceptable use case. So meh, nice try though.


Final thoughts and good riddance.
But as I said previously, he might be perfectly fine, or he might not be perfectly fine, questioning his general safety and readiness might be unpopular, and given the people who would vehemently defend him and not question his choice, I at least know who to avoid riding with period, but given that people here are quick to nitpick ex riders, without reasonably questioning their reasoning behind or circumstances behind their choice, it doesn't mean the automatically they are the antichrist either given that there is always the crowd that are quick to jump to conclusions and what not, after all you are safely behind your online anonymity having a dig at someone is part of the course. This notion of viewing something with negativity garners the automatic relegation to the depths of hell as someone that is against it on this forum is a joke, and the opposite is true as well, you are not allowed to view anything with majority negativity in a positive light without getting lambasted for it. So meh......

Outside of all the waffle that had nothing to do with motorcycles I’ve also been riding since the 90’s and still do so every day…well when I need to be somewhere obviously.

I’ve ridden hundreds of bikes for hundreds of thousands of kilometres by now in every kind of weather and circumstance from hail and floods to riots and protests.

Your entire outlook on the world is just pure negativity.

If it was caution I could still understand it but yours is very much purely black and white and therefore hell no motorcycles are bad and you are going to die which simply isn’t the case.

The biggest issue with people on bikes is zero personal responsibility and blaming everyone and everything else for their failures.

If you ride too fast and **** into a car that decided to change lanes that’s on you for making it into a real accident.

If you braked too hard and skidded and then hit the deck because of it it’s also on you, not the taxi that made you overreact.

And don’t get me started on the “I had to lay her down” mentality which is just simply never ever the answer.

Yes it’s a higher risk approach to life…which is also why it’s fun. Our roads don’t make it inherently more or less risky, technology has improved and come along way to make it a lot more approachable to ride bikes as well.

As long as the person on the bike has half a brain and takes things one step at a time they will be just fine.

If they are a hot headed idiot things are going to end badly for them whether in a car or on a bike or even a bicycle…and car crashes going wrong are far far worse as someone who has been a first responder to many.

Besides it’s utterly pointless telling someone not to something which they are almost certainly going to ignore and do anyway, so instead guide them towards the best way to do the thing more safely rather than get on your high horse and tell them it’s a bad idea…and then what you feared happens for a lack of guidance on your part.

As someone with experience your role should be to help people do it better, not tell them not to do it at all.
 
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The biggest issue with people on bikes is zero personal responsibility and blaming everyone and everything else for their failures.
This is huge.

Does 100km/h down a busy main street with parking on both sides, and a 40km/h limit. "ThE cAr JUst PullLEd OuT in FronT of me!!'

Or approaches a busy intersection at full tilt cause 'Muh RigHT OF wAy'

Real accidents happen, but my rough estimation of pure thumb sucking guesswork is that 80% of bike accidents could have been prevented by the biker if he/she didn't ride like a chop.
 
This is huge.

Does 100km/h down a busy main street with parking on both sides, and a 40km/h limit. "ThE cAr JUst PullLEd OuT in FronT of me!!'

Or approaches a busy intersection at full tilt cause 'Muh RigHT OF wAy'

Real accidents happen, but my rough estimation of pure thumb sucking guesswork is that 80% of bike accidents could have been prevented by the biker if he/she didn't ride like a chop.

100%.

And once you figure out that it’s all within your own control short of extremely unlikely freak accidents that’s when it becomes safe.
 
100%.

And once you figure out that it’s all within your own control short of extremely unlikely freak accidents that’s when it becomes safe.
My personal opinion is that the bulk of the commuting guys are lane splitting to fast. At the speed they are going they leave themselves no chance to react.
 
Real accidents happen, but my rough estimation of pure thumb sucking guesswork is that 80% of bike accidents could have been prevented by the biker if he/she didn't ride like a chop.

The amount of near misses I've seen in my time commuting in Central London rush hour traffic, both motorcycles and cyclists.

As far as cyclists are concerned, most of these near misses are because there is a very large portion of cyclists (very applicable here too) that think the rules of the road don't apply to them. And to them I give the middle finger. Couple this with the sheer volume of foot traffic and tourists with cameras and selfie sticks in London, you have a recipe for disaster.

There are monthly reports in the UK news of a cyclist being crushed by an HGV while it was making a left turn, 'cause the cyclist thought they could squeeze between the pavement and the HGV before the lights went green. So absolutely, if you take chances like an idiot, nothing ends well.

Interestingly, it was the commuter motorcyclists that were most law abiding and had the most respect for the road. I say commuter, because obviously like anywhere you get your joy rider motorcyclists too who couldn't give rat's ar*e. I saw a biker slam into the side door of a black cab at 40kph on Westminster Bridge because the taxi did a u-turn without looking. Sure, the taxis there aren't like the taxis here, they don't drive on the pavement, but they're a first world version. They do run red lights and take chances going the wrong way down short one way roads in the name of getting that next fare asap.

Back here in SA though, yes, the driving is generally atrocious, by all walks of life, so many people drive while on their phones, and the taxis should be taken off the road. They're a complete menace to society. I don't for ONE moment condone their behaviour, but I do get that they are simply trying to make a living while charging low fares to the demographic of society that can't afford to pay much for transport, therefore they need to drive like idiots to make their quota each day. The solution is more complex that to simply remove them, or to impound them, but at the risk of sparking off a different debate, that's on the government, like most of the problems in this country right now.
 
My personal opinion is that the bulk of the commuting guys are lane splitting to fast. At the speed they are going they leave themselves no chance to react.

Precisely.

But they’ve all convinced themselves this is normal and safe and if it goes horribly wrong it was the other person’s fault because they are the best riders ever and have hundreds of hours of track experience.
 
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